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A ghost trace in a photo after its raw file was worked on with Bridge's Remove Tool

Contributor ,
May 24, 2025 May 24, 2025

I need to say that PS's RAW functions are great, in principal. It is nice to enlarge the original RAW file to have it at proper dimensions for printing. However, this time I was disappointed. For the particular picture I'm talking about, I liked to make major changes using e.g. Curve and Hue/Sat adjustment layers. I had thought that when I remove undesirable objects at a RAW level in Bridge, the outcome is the best. That wasn't the case! When I had made those major changes for the photo those removed objects were there, although as some ghosts. I know I can get rid of them working with other tools - but to me it is strange that the Remove tool does not remove items it is designed for. Perhaps, I need to learn using proper AI tools in other apps. I think some apps work better (although it would be nice to be working with one app from the start to the end).

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Enthusiast ,
May 24, 2025 May 24, 2025

Let me comment about satisfactory removal -- cloning and removal tools have come a long, long way. AI has improved this to a large extent, but I don't think Adobe is through with these tools. I wouldn't consider Remove a one-click wonder. I've had to undo and reselect areas to be removed many times when editing my images.

 

It behooves us to zoom in at high levels-- 100% and more -- to examine for artifacts. One technique I use is to duplicate the original layer; perform removal on the layer copy; then "switch off the eyeball" of the copy layer to toggle visibility of the new layer and the original. It's still mostly an art+technique process, trial-and-error. [I never meant to say 199%, just my fumble-fingers]

 

btw, "at a RAW level in Bridge" is a misnomer; RAW has little to do with successful removal, and Bridge is not where removal is done. Clicking on a RAW file in Bridge launches Photoshop and then Camera Raw.

 

Preventing ghosts is enhanced by careful, overly-large selections; checking for artifacts; Undoing, then reselecting, then redoing removal. I'm not chiding you, I'm encouraging you. No one like to find blemishes on our final product, especially if we printed big, and/or on expensive media.

 

Larry
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Contributor ,
May 26, 2025 May 26, 2025

Thanks for the comment. - Perhaps this finding of mine is not such a big thing but I hadn't encountered it before. Moreover, I really did think that AI does its work from scratch, I mean, the whole thing would be created and the original part would be replaced. Well, now I know more. This isn't the case. However, excluding the particular happening I've found Remove tool to make a decent job. As to the "RAW level", I can now suppose that I can do all removal etc. work in Photoshop. But is there any special reason why the functionality is also included in the Camera raw editor?

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Enthusiast ,
May 26, 2025 May 26, 2025
quoteBut is there any special reason why the functionality is also included in the Camera raw editor?

 

My immediate thought was Why Not? Half-serious. Which Camera Raw editor do you mean?

Photoshop's Filter>Camera Raw filter?

The Camera Raw that is launched by clicking on a Raw file when viewed in Bridge,

or double-clicking a raw image in Explorer or Mac's Finder?

Sorry to be dense.

 

Larry
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Community Expert ,
May 25, 2025 May 25, 2025

This is the Photoshop Forum, so if you want to talk about Bridge and Camera Raw you might want to so on the dedicated Fora. 

 

Could you please provide the edited raw file or at least post screenshots taken at View > 100% with the pertinent Panels (Toolbar, Layers, Options Bar, …) visible? 

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Contributor ,
May 26, 2025 May 26, 2025

Please look at my comment above. Reasoning from the comment I got, this a PS issue. Thanks!

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May 26, 2025 May 26, 2025
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Please look at my comment above. Reasoning from the comment I got, this a PS issue. Thanks!


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Didn’t you state that you removed the objects In Camera Raw?

Which would seem to make faulty output a Camera Raw problem, even if it is raised from Photoshop. 

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Contributor ,
May 26, 2025 May 26, 2025

Yes, it was in Camera raw.

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Contributor ,
May 28, 2025 May 28, 2025

Here is my autotalk 🪾. Regarding the generative fill, I cannot remember this kind of a thing has happened me before, I left the text area empty, and to this date, the creation has always reflected the surroundings, basically removing the distracting object(s) in the selected area (as I intend and like). Now, I liked remove a bit of land, a kind of a peninsula, in a sea view. What I did get was astonishing: Other peninsulas. After a third try, one of the 3 suggestions showed which was my intention, the sea. Thereafter, creating similar pictures, other "seas", were created to my delight 😃. So, as some others have here reported the PS tools are, well, tools, basically capable, but don't always work as one could imagine. :palm_tree:

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Contributor ,
May 28, 2025 May 28, 2025

:palm_tree: (Rocket didn't work - another app with other problems)!

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Contributor ,
May 28, 2025 May 28, 2025
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OK. I surrender - palm tree isn't allowed here. - This kind of a thing has also happened me in the past: I liked, and in an extremely decent photo from a beach 😑, to create a person, a man, in a swimming suit, using PS's AI functionality. That didn't work. I needed to change the swimming suit to a T-shirt and shorts. Then AI worked. Well, interested, among other things, in social and public questions, I ended up thinking that American and European thinking do differ, indeed. 🧐

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