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mastamakgrant
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July 28, 2023
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Adjustment problem when a selection is added to

  • July 28, 2023
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For the attached image I selected the sky then tidied up the selection by adding a small area, just above the horizon, using the polygonal selection tool. Similarly, I removed some incorrectly selected areas below the horizon, once again using the polygonal selection tool. This was done in "select and mask" and I outputed the result as a selection and applied a curves adjustment. Once the adjustment was done I noticed that the area added (and subtracted) using the polygonal selection tool was clearly visible. I have exaggerated the adjustment in the attached image so the effect is more noticeable. I have no idea if this is something I have done wrong or a bug. I am using the current version of Photoshop. The problem also appears in the Beta version. I would be grateful for any suggestions.
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    Correct answer Bojan Živković11378569

    "I still can't understand why a selection is treated differently with adjustments depending on the selection method used. Still feels like a bug to me."

    There are different selection methods like selection based on color or based on detected edges or hand selection or selection based on transparency... Sometimes pixels are partially selected and that is visible on mask itself. Black color will hide, white reveals while all other variations of grey will partialy hide/reveal. 

    When using Polygonal Lasso Tool everything inside is 100% selected, no partialy selected pixels, if you fill that area it will be either white or black, if you paint then it depends...

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    D Fosse
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    D FosseCommunity Expert
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    July 28, 2023
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    I have no idea if this is something I have done wrong or a bug.

    By @mastamakgrant

     

    Definitely the former, not the latter. Your approach here seems very heavy handed.

     

    As Myra says, do this with layer masks. You can select areas and fill the mask, but ultimately, in a photograph, you will need to paint in the mask, using soft brushes alt low opacity. Hit the X key to switch between black and white, to add to the mask or remove from it. This way it's easy to reverse if you overdo it.

     

    Your selection edges here, quite aside from the two added areas you mention, are not very credible. There is a lighter halo around the rocks that immediately gives it away as an added effect.

     

    Making a good mask is not easy - but it's a lot easier than making a single one-off selection that is supposed to work right off.

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    mastamakgrantAuthor
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    July 29, 2023

    Thank you very much, D Fosse, for your helpful suggestion. I will apply your method in future. I am aware of the halo that you refer to, but this was a very quick selection with no refinement, simply to illustrate the issue. Please see my reply to Myra, above.

    Myra Ferguson
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    Myra FergusonCommunity Expert
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    July 28, 2023

    If you made the selection and then applied Curves by going to Image > Adjustments > Curves..., then the modification was destructive--meaning it permanently changed the pixels.

     

    Instead, I would recommend making the selecting and adding an adjustment layer (either by clicking the middle icon at the bottom of the Layers panel and selecting Curves... or by going to Layer > New Adjustment Layer > Curves...). The selection will be converted into a Layer Mask where white is where the adjustment will be applied, black won't change, and grays will show a partial adjustment.

     

    What's great about the Layer Mask is that you modify it. So, in your case, when you made the selection with the Polygonal Lasso and the selection's edges were abrupt, you could use the Blur tool to smooth out the selection so that it blends more naturally.

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      mastamakgrantAuthor
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      July 29, 2023

      Thank you very much Myra Fereguson for your helpful suggestion. I will try the Layer Mask solution and see how that goes. I have used my current method (make a rough selection, go to Select and Mask to refine the selection, output to a selection then apply a curves adjustment to the refined selection) on numerous occasions when doing B&W conversion and I have never noticed this issue previously. Viewing the B&W final images at 300% I can see no sharp differentiation between the original selection and the additions made with the polygonal lasso tool. This is the first time I have used this method for a colour image. So, it appears that not all selections are the same. I still can't understand why a selection is treated differently with adjustments depending on the selection method used. Still feels like a bug to me.

      Bojan Živković11378569
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      Bojan Živković11378569Community ExpertCorrect answer
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      July 29, 2023

      "I still can't understand why a selection is treated differently with adjustments depending on the selection method used. Still feels like a bug to me."

      There are different selection methods like selection based on color or based on detected edges or hand selection or selection based on transparency... Sometimes pixels are partially selected and that is visible on mask itself. Black color will hide, white reveals while all other variations of grey will partialy hide/reveal. 

      When using Polygonal Lasso Tool everything inside is 100% selected, no partialy selected pixels, if you fill that area it will be either white or black, if you paint then it depends...

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