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December 14, 2023
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Adobe and Windows

  • December 14, 2023
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I'm a professional retoucher, I've been on macs for most of my career. I moved to windows in 2020 and ever since I've experienced insane issues with Photoshop and lightroom on my PC's. I was on an Alienware PC with a 2000 series Ryzen processor. Now I'm on a Heavy-duty dell workstation with 128GB of ram. and I'm experiencing the same issues. So, this must be an adobe issue. 

 

ISSUES

Instability! Ill have multiple images open in PS ill zoom in to say 200%,  paint something,  Press space bar to move accross the image and get a spinning wheel or a total freeze of PS up to 5 minutes.  

 

Sometimes (like today) ill make a simple move and ill get a spinning wheel then a crash!   Todays was interesting, because i had 10 images open, and when i rebooted, instead of PS recovering all of them. It only recovered 1 !!  The freezing happens alot. 

 

Lightroom. Same issue with freezing, ill be trying to move the slider to a file i need and the screen will turn white the the X in the upper right corner will turn red, a widow will appear asking if i want to close the program or wait.  This happens almost every day!  

 

None of this happened when i was on my old iMac. Its entirely windows and it doenst matter which PC im on it happens in the exact same manner!  

has anyone else noticed this and is there a solution? 

 

please advise. 

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Correct answer D Fosse

I am the farthest from an IT guy but i can tell you that I have the same issues at home on my Alienware R15 that i do here. I seriously think its Windows and Microsoft. 


@robertm98079738 

 

You need to completely disable the Intel UHD 770. Dual graphics will conflict and cause crashes.

 

I assume the same goes for the Alienware.

 

Dual graphics sounds like a good idea, but it only works for simple applications that send data one way downstream. Photoshop and other advanced graphics software uses the GPU actively for data processing. You can't send data to one GPU and get it back from the other, so there can only be one GPU in that equation.

 

Sometimes it works, but very often it doesn't.

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davescm
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December 14, 2023

Can you go to Help > System info and click Copy. Then paste the info here.

I also use Windows and have no problems with freezing/crashing in Photoshop or Lightroom (Classic). I'd be interested to see what system differences there are that may lead to your experience.

 

Dave

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December 19, 2023

 

davescm
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December 19, 2023

Hi Robert,

It was Photoshop's Help menu - then System Info, then Copy. It will show how it is set up on your system.

 

Dave

D Fosse
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December 14, 2023

Ryzen systems seem to have had a lot of inexplicable issues and is over-represented in problem reports. Don't ask me why, this is just informal statistics from being in the forum for a long time. Some of it has been traced down to the BIOS.

 

Dell is a different issue. Those machines are notoriously so filled with all kinds of "helpful" modifications and additional software that you can't find the operating system anymore. Clean it out, get rid of as much as you can. Uninstall, disable from startup, do whatever it takes. Take no prisoners.

 

One serious problem with Dell is that you often can't use original vendor GPU drivers. You have to use Dell's custom drivers.

 

On a clean Windows system, no extras, Photoshop is extremely reliable and stable.  I haven't seen a crash or slowdown in as long as I can remember. It just works, all the time.

Trevor.Dennis
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December 15, 2023

I tend to agree with Dag on this. We do seem to see a disproportionate  number of AMD hardware systems figuring in stability related issues on this forum.  I like to remind people that there are 30 million people using Photoshop legally, and goodness knows how many pirated versions, and it is inconcievable that an application with so many customers is inherently unstable.

 

 

Legend
December 14, 2023

I'm a working pro photographer who has also had a long IT career and worked at both Apple and Microsoft, FWIW. Although I strongly prefer the Mac, it certainly is possible to build and maintain a stable Windows PC. HOWEVER... its also easier to screw things up. The variation in hardware and drivers is really difficult for a developer to keep on top of (from Microsoft on down.)

If you are going to use a PC for graphics production, lean heavily on the manufacturer support. Dell should be able to work with you to setup a stable Alienware box (Dell owns Alienware) with the right drivers.

NB, colourmanagement
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December 14, 2023

@robertm98079738 

Perhaps try a thorough reset of Photoshop preferences?

(read this entire post before acting please)

Resetting restores Photoshop's internal preferences, which are saved when Photoshop closes.

If they become corrupt then various issues can occur.

 

Here’s some info on how to do that:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html

Manually removing preferences files is the most complete method for restoring Photoshop to its default state: 

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html#Manually

 

Manually removing preferences files is the most complete method for restoring Photoshop to its default state. This method ensures all preferences and any user presets which may be causing a problem are not loaded.

  1. Quit Photoshop.

  2. Navigate to Photoshop's Preferences folder.
    macOS: Users/[user name]/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop [version] Settings
    Windows: Users/[user name]/AppData/Roaming/Adobe/Adobe Photoshop [version]/Adobe Photoshop [version] Settings

     
    Note: The user Library folder is hidden by default on macOS. To access files in the hidden user Library folder, see How to access hidden user library files.
  3. Drag the entire Adobe Photoshop [Version] Settings folder to the desktop or somewhere safe for a back-up of your settings

  4. Open Photoshop.

     New preferences files will be created in their original location.

 

 

Note re macOS: The user Library folder is hidden by default.

To access files in the hidden user Library folder, see here for how to access hidden user library files.

https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/access-hidden-user-library-files.html

 

Unexpected behaviour may indicate damaged preferences. Restoring preferences to their default settings is a good idea when trying to troubleshoot unexpected behaviours in Photoshop. check out the video

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html#reset_preferences

 

Learn how to access and modify Photoshop preferences and customise per your frequent workflows

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html

 

And here’s an earlier forum discussion as an aid to understanding

https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/quick-tips-how-to-reset-photoshop-preferences/td-p/12502668

 

You may want to backup your settings and custom presets, brushes & actions before restoring Photoshop's preferences.

Here is general info about that:  https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html#BackupPhotoshoppreferences

 

 

Before you reset your preferences

in case of future issues, I suggest you make a copy as Adobe may need one to check problematic references. 

Quit Photoshop.
Go to Photoshop's Preferences folder

Preferences file locations: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/preference-file-names-locations-photoshop.html\


  [on MacOS see: Users/[user name]/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop [version] Settings

  Note for those on macOS: - be aware that the user Library folder is hidden by default on macOS.

  https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/access-hidden-user-library-files.html

  In the Finder, open the “Go” menu whilst holding down the Option (Alt) key.

  Library will now appear in the list - below the current user's “home” directory. ]

 

Now you can drag the entire Adobe Photoshop [Version] Settings folder to the desktop or somewhere safe as a back-up of your settings.

 

 

Note for those on macOS:

Preference preservation is affected by macOS permissions,

you’ll need to allow Photoshop ‘Full Disk Access’ in your Mac OS Preferences/Security and Privacy

 

If that doesn't fix the issue:

Go to Preferences > Performance... and uncheck Multithreaded Compositing - and restart Photoshop.

Still hanging? 

Go to Preferences > Performance... click Advanced Settings... and uncheck "GPU Compositing" - then restart Photoshop. 

Do you still have problems?

 

Here's a link from Myra Ferguson specificially for troubleshooting Photoshop if it crashes on launch (which includes resetting preferences) Troubleshoot crash or freeze in Photoshop

 

 

 

 

It may even be time to reinstall Photoshop.

 

It’s recommended that you use the Adobe CC cleaner tool to remove all traces first.

(See above about preserving preferences though! It’s worth preserving them unless they are corrupted.)

 

https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/kb/cc-cleaner-tool-installation-problems.html

Uninstall Photoshop BUT make sure to choose the option “Yes, remove app preference”.

 

Once that process finishes, start the installation process and look into the “Advanced Options”. Uncheck “Import previous settings and preferences” and choose to “Remove old versions”.

 

I hope this helps

neil barstow, colourmanagement net  - adobe forum volunteer - co-author: 'getting colour right'

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December 14, 2023

i just recently installed the latest PS on this new PC. Ive only started using it the past 2 days and its exibiting the exact same behavior as the previous PC. I dont think reseting preferences or reinstalling wioll do the trick. I really think there is a problem with Adobe products and windows.