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Are today's common budget monitors as effective as 2006 pro monitors?

  • May 16, 2024
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I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but y'all have been so helpful in the past that I thought I'd risk it.

 

When my Dell 2407WFP-HC died on me almost a decade ago, a close friend happened to be upgrading his own set-up and was kind enough to gift me his pair of regular (non-HC) Dell 2407WFP's; so that's what I've been designing on ever since. According to the specs on the back, these were manufactured in 2006, suggesting 18-year-old technology.

 

One of them just made a ZAP sound, shut off, and I can smell a slight burning scent coming from the top; right in the middle of working. It's dead. I still have its twin, but can't work with just a 24" screen so I'll need a quick replacement. And unfortunately, this is happening at the worst possible time, as I just spent a fortune on more pressing needs; so budget is a huge concern.

 

On the bright side, I've just been informed that even the cheapest of today's monitors might actually be better than the older ones I was using. And by cheap, I mean something like this Samsung (LS27C330G) which Best Buy is selling for $150 in Canada.

 

In this scenario, I'd be going from 24" to 27", and from 60Hz to 100Hz; which are both improvements (I always felt 27" would be the sweet spot for a dual-monitor set-up, despite having only experienced 24"). On the downside, the brightness would be dropping from 400 to 250 cd/m² but I'm not too worried about that since I work in the dark (and always lower the brightness + saturation levels of my screens for work). The resolution would also be taking a small hit, from 1920 x 1200 to 1920 x 1080 (Dells sure loved the WUXGA 16:10 aspect ratio back then).

 

You'll notice the one thing I haven't mentioned is the number of colors, which is pretty important for design work; but I'm having the hardest time finding that info for the older Dells. However, according to displayspecifications.com, the budget 2023 Samsung I quoted above can do 16,777,216 (24 bit). So I assume this is the baseline for today's monitors. Number of colors isn't something I feel too crazy about downgrading from what I've been used to.

 

So my first question is : how naive would it be of me to think that an average $150 Samsung screen released in 2023 could be just as effective for today's graphic design work as a $600+ Dell screen released in 2006?

 

As for the type of design work, it's mostly digital (website images, PDF, some video, etc.) with the occasional print job (posters, book covers, expo booths, etc.). Things like 4K, lower response times and even higher refresh rates would be nice-to-haves (since I also own an Xbox Series X) but gaming is a very secondary concern. Work is more important. I can get a 3rd gaming screen later.

 

Monitor recommendations are also welcome, as long as they have my (unfortunately) tight budget in mind. I can go about $250 (CDN) max right now. Brick & mortars like Costco & Best Buy would be ideal locations, but I'll order online if it's worth it.

 

Thanks!

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Correct answer Conrad_C

Problem 1 is that specifications are just what the manufacturer says it does, but do not communicate enough about actual performance.

 

Problem 2 is that you’re right to look at numbers, but they aren’t the right numbers. These are some of the numbers that really matter today, and some that don’t.

 

Brightness. This is becoming a complex topic. If your work mainly targets print, then the same guidance applies as it has for many years: Aim for between 90 cd/m² and 120 cd/m², depending on the print process. But now that screens have become a dominant final delivery medium, 150 cd/m² and up can be appropriate if most of your work ends up on a website or in an app. Now Adobe is leading the charge to full HDR. It isn’t yet time for most people to require this, but if you do, then to unlock full HDR editing in Adobe photo apps, Adobe recommends a display that can sustain 1000 cd/m² and peak even higher for HDR highlights.

 

Number of colors. Not important, almost everyone has enough. First, it has long been standard for even the cheapest computers and displays to support 24-bit RGB video (which means 8 bits per RGB channel) video or 16+ million colors; in 2024 you will find it extremely difficult to find a display that can’t. So this is not a differentiator. Some pro graphics hardware has gone to 10 bits per channel or higher.

 

Size of color gamut. Aha, now we have something important. Color range can make a difference. In the past, your 16+ million colors was often distributed only within the sRGB color gamut or less. It has become much more common for mobile devices, televisions, and computer displays to be capable of reproducing a wider range of 16+ million colors, using color gamuts such as Adobe RGB and Display P3.

 

Refresh rate. Very important for motion media, often not important for photographers staring at the same image that is not moving. Many high end pro color displays are still 60Hz, but have far better color accuracy than anything else out there.

 

Pixel dimensions. 4K and up is nice to have, but because it has absolutely no effect on tonal and color accuracy, it isn’t necessary for photography. It affects only the density of detail you can see at a given magnification.

 

Color accuracy. This is often not on a spec sheet. You are looking for a low Delta E number. Some websites such as RTings do measure and review this. It is very important for photography.

 

Uniformity. Also very important: Does a given tone or color look the same from edge to edge? Is it darker in the corners? If it is, it will be hard for you to make edits consistently across the image Again, most spec sheets do not cover this, look at reviews that measure uniformity.

 

Are cheap new displays as good as old pro displays? Potentially. For example, in the 2000s, the Apple Cinema displays were held up as a high standard. But I think those old Cinema displays (I have one) would not be near the top given what’s available today. It seems like the average level of quality has gone up quite a bit since the 2000s. I think it’s more like a $350 display today is like a $800 display a few years ago, and pros might now spend $800+ where 10 years ago what they need might be $1500+.

 

What to do on a budget? There are two things you can do:

1. Again…go to a good review site that measures tone and color accuracy, and uniformity. Many inexpensive displays now score well enough for most work, although the high end pro models can still stand out beyond that.

2. After buying the display, run a color measurement tool on it to generate a custom display profile, to specs appropriate for your typical delivery medium. At this point, it should perform quite well, and buying a pro display might not improve things all that much.

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Trevor.Dennis
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May 21, 2024

Are 4K screens usable with Photoshop?  If I set my UI to 200% with Font set to Large on my 2160 X 1440 screen and restart, nothing changes, but I have seen videos where they demonstrate changing UI scaling, and you can see that it upscales the UI.   After discovering that my screen is past its best from reading this thread, I am currently looking at the Asus ProArt 32" 4K screen, and I need to know I can see the UI before buying.

 

If you see this and use a 32" 4K screen, can you tell me if the UI is usable and not too small?  What would be really helpful would be a full res, full screen shot of a 4K Photoshop UI.  

 

Dag, is that Asus ProArt screen OK for someone not obsessive about colours, but wants a good user experience? You are the person whose opinion I most respect with this stuff.

https://www.asus.com/displays-desktops/monitors/proart/proart-display-pa329cv/

Under S.Author
Inspiring
May 21, 2024

That is one sweet-looking monitor. And I agree, there are plenty far better than the M27Q-P at that $900+ price point (which is what Best Buy Canada sells it for, just looked it up) but my budget is $300 CAD, unfortunately. Again, this is an emergency budget-level replacement for one of my two very old 24" 1080p Dells. While I plan to go 4K at some point, now just isn't the right time for me.

Trevor.Dennis
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Community Expert
May 21, 2024

Something else that has just occurred to me are the old plugins from people like Flaming Pear and Factalius, because their UIs don't scale, and they are barely big enough on a 2K screen.  They could be problematic on 4K screen.

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Inspiring
May 20, 2024

@D Fosse @Lumigraphics @Conrad_C 

I was this close to just picking up the aforementioned pair of cheap, bare-bones, no-frills Samsung 1080p 27-inchers (100Hz, 5ms) for $280 at Costco to replace my dead Dell 2407WFP (2006), before a close friend talked me out of it.

 

He instead talked me into the Gigabyte M27Q-Pro. Despite the fact that it's a VA panel (correction: it's not, it's IPS) it's 1440p (vs 1080p), boasts 135% sRGB coverage (vs 95%), 165Hz refresh rate (vs. 100Hz) and 1ms response time (vs 5ms). It also has a USB-C connector and an audio out (which can independently redirect sound to my mixer, should I also use it with my gaming console).

 

It was named RTING's best budget monitor for 2024 before being replaced due to a lack of availability. But not only is it available here in Canada, it's currently on special at $300 CAD (down from $450) at my local brick n mortar.

 

Stores are closed today here, but I plan on picking it up tomorrow. It's just $20 more than I would've spent on the dual Samsungs, but the gains seem worth it. When my remaining Dell 24" dies, it will likely be replaced by another 27" 1440p screen.

 

Am I making a terrible mistake? $300 CAD was pretty much my budget for this emergency replacement and this M27Q-P seems to check all the boxes.

D Fosse
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Community Expert
May 20, 2024

Actually...I'm not thrilled about the VA panel. They also have pretty restricted viewing angles, although better than TN. Do check it first to see that it's acceptable! Pull up an image with good blacks and move around the chair a bit. See if the blacks change when you move position.

 

Refresh rate and response time are things the gamers are concerned with. They're not important for Photoshop.

Conrad_C
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Conrad_CCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
Community Expert
May 16, 2024

Problem 1 is that specifications are just what the manufacturer says it does, but do not communicate enough about actual performance.

 

Problem 2 is that you’re right to look at numbers, but they aren’t the right numbers. These are some of the numbers that really matter today, and some that don’t.

 

Brightness. This is becoming a complex topic. If your work mainly targets print, then the same guidance applies as it has for many years: Aim for between 90 cd/m² and 120 cd/m², depending on the print process. But now that screens have become a dominant final delivery medium, 150 cd/m² and up can be appropriate if most of your work ends up on a website or in an app. Now Adobe is leading the charge to full HDR. It isn’t yet time for most people to require this, but if you do, then to unlock full HDR editing in Adobe photo apps, Adobe recommends a display that can sustain 1000 cd/m² and peak even higher for HDR highlights.

 

Number of colors. Not important, almost everyone has enough. First, it has long been standard for even the cheapest computers and displays to support 24-bit RGB video (which means 8 bits per RGB channel) video or 16+ million colors; in 2024 you will find it extremely difficult to find a display that can’t. So this is not a differentiator. Some pro graphics hardware has gone to 10 bits per channel or higher.

 

Size of color gamut. Aha, now we have something important. Color range can make a difference. In the past, your 16+ million colors was often distributed only within the sRGB color gamut or less. It has become much more common for mobile devices, televisions, and computer displays to be capable of reproducing a wider range of 16+ million colors, using color gamuts such as Adobe RGB and Display P3.

 

Refresh rate. Very important for motion media, often not important for photographers staring at the same image that is not moving. Many high end pro color displays are still 60Hz, but have far better color accuracy than anything else out there.

 

Pixel dimensions. 4K and up is nice to have, but because it has absolutely no effect on tonal and color accuracy, it isn’t necessary for photography. It affects only the density of detail you can see at a given magnification.

 

Color accuracy. This is often not on a spec sheet. You are looking for a low Delta E number. Some websites such as RTings do measure and review this. It is very important for photography.

 

Uniformity. Also very important: Does a given tone or color look the same from edge to edge? Is it darker in the corners? If it is, it will be hard for you to make edits consistently across the image Again, most spec sheets do not cover this, look at reviews that measure uniformity.

 

Are cheap new displays as good as old pro displays? Potentially. For example, in the 2000s, the Apple Cinema displays were held up as a high standard. But I think those old Cinema displays (I have one) would not be near the top given what’s available today. It seems like the average level of quality has gone up quite a bit since the 2000s. I think it’s more like a $350 display today is like a $800 display a few years ago, and pros might now spend $800+ where 10 years ago what they need might be $1500+.

 

What to do on a budget? There are two things you can do:

1. Again…go to a good review site that measures tone and color accuracy, and uniformity. Many inexpensive displays now score well enough for most work, although the high end pro models can still stand out beyond that.

2. After buying the display, run a color measurement tool on it to generate a custom display profile, to specs appropriate for your typical delivery medium. At this point, it should perform quite well, and buying a pro display might not improve things all that much.

Under S.Author
Inspiring
May 17, 2024

Based on everything you just wrote, going from a 24" Dell 2407WFP to a 27" Samsung S3 S33GC for only $150 (or a pair of them for $279) as a quick replacement seems like a no-brainer. Especially since the only obvious downside (other than not levelling up to newer tech like 4K or wider color gamuts) is the peak brightness being lowered from 400 to 250 cd/m² -- which seems like a non-issue since I work in the dark and your recommended levels are 90-120.

 

Amazon has 6000+ reviews on this pretty basic Samsung monitor, 90% of them 4 to 5 stars. It also appears to be an "Amazon Choice" product. Samsung has discounted them by $150 at the source so these previously-$300 monitors are now going for $150 pretty much everywhere. Canadian currency, too.

 

Should I stop looking a gift horse in the mouth and just pick one (or two) up already? 😉

D Fosse
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 17, 2024

If your budget won't budge, so be it. It's probably as good as any.

 

If you put your budget there because you feel you "shouldn't" pay more for a monitor, but you could stretch it if you really wanted to, then it would be worth stretching. Just so it's said.

D Fosse
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 16, 2024

The best advice I can give is to ignore the specifications. It's just marketing fluff with no substance. "Number of colors" is just nonsense.

 

This is what it boils down to. This is what you don't want:

 

That is not a cheap monitor (a Dell U2713 actually). Check carefully before you buy.

 

Budget is budget. It means they're cutting corners somewhere. Usually, they do it where it doesn't show up in the spec sheet.

 

 

Legend
May 16, 2024

What he said. In addition, a better display will have a larger colorspace (say, 100% of AdobeRGB rather than 76% of NTSC), be an IPS vs TN panel, be 10-bit vs 8-bit, have lower delta-E (better color fidelity), have additional features like speakers, webcam, more inputs, etc), higher refresh rates, use better technology like mini-LED, and so on.

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Inspiring
May 16, 2024
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In addition, a better display will have a larger colorspace (say, 100% of AdobeRGB rather than 76% of NTSC)

 

Well, that's kind of what I'm asking : is my colorspace decreasing if I'm going from a 2006 Dell 2407WFP to a 2023 Samsung LS27C330GANXZA? I'm having a hard time comparing this info. Everything else (besides the brightness) seems like a step up to me.