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JasperGoodall
Inspiring
May 9, 2024
Question

black and white tint anomaly

  • May 9, 2024
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I have a conundrum:

I have a series of black and white images that I want to tint just a tiny bit warm. There are many methods — gradient map, solid colour adjustment in colour blend mode, HSB colourized, photo filter.

I have done one or another (tried them all) and then taken the adjustment layer over to another file and dropped it on the new file, assuming that I will end up with the same tint. In order to verify this I have set up a bunch of  color samples and set the info panel to HSB to check the hue angle (I like to use 38 degrees which is a warm yellow/brown). 

In this example I have used a grad map set to hue 38 and 3% saturation, I have plotted swatches so that location 25 is 25% luminosity, 38 hue, 3% sat, then location 50 os 50% luminosity, 38 hue, etc etc.

SO... I'd expect the colour samples to reflect this. What I'd expect to see is that the the readout is H 38, S 3 and that the only value that changes is the brightness depending on whether the colour sample is over a light or dark area. 

What I see is that when I sample a different area of my image the hue varies from approx 30 up to 44!

I just cannot understand how with every swatch on my grad map set to 38 hue I am able to get diffeeing readouts in the info panel.

This same thing occures whatever adjustment layer I use. Photo filter set to 38 hue - same variation of colour samples, HSB colourize set to 38 - same deal. Please someone explain this!!

How do I know my hues are the same in all images if I cannot actually get a reading of 38 on the majrity of my samples??? I have tried varying sized of pixel averaged samples but it makes no difference.

Can someone try this out and tell me they get the same results?

Note the screenshots below - my grad map says hue 38, my colour sample says hue 44... how?

Thanks.

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D Fosse
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May 10, 2024

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D Fosse
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 9, 2024

You cannot rely on HSB for anything across different files. It's relative to a whole lot of things including color space. HSB numbers are not absolute numbers.

 

What you're describing is expected if you have, say, one Adobe RGB and one sRGB file - or one that does have an embedded profile and one that doesn't.

 

Within a single file and within the same color space you will get consistent numbers. They might not mean anything in an absolute sense, but they will be consistent.

JasperGoodall
Inspiring
May 10, 2024

The thing is - my two screen shots are from the same file. I literally put a grad map set to hue 38 and then seconds later with the colour sampler I get a reading of 44, on another sample from the same file but in an area of different luminosity I'll get like 34, almost nowhere on the file will I actually get a reading of 38 hue. That is what I'm confused about. I'm not talking about different files in different colour spaces.

D Fosse
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 10, 2024

I said HSB is relative to a lot of things. One of them is that as you approach white and black, hue and saturation become meaningless. Saturation is by definition zero, while hue becomes "chaotic". It's nothing and everything at the same time.

 

A pure white and a pure black is not possible if you have an overall hue.

 

That's why I would never trust HSB for anything other than a rough guide.

 

I still think there are better ways to do this. If you make a gradient map adjustment layer preset, that should be applicable globally - again, provided that the color space is consistent.