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Bridge Clear Settings does not work with PSD FIles

LEGEND ,
Jun 05, 2018 Jun 05, 2018

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When trying to use Bridge menu Edit> Develop Settings> Clear Settings with a PSD file that selection is grayed out and not usable. It works with all other file formats (raw, JPEG, TIFF), but not PSD even with 'Maximize Compatibilty' applied.

Bridge 8.0.1.282, Camera Raw 10.3, PS 19.1.4, Windows 7

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Jun 06, 2018 Jun 06, 2018

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As far as I know the only Image files types you can set ACR to open are RAW, Jpeg and Tiff images file types not any other image file types layer or not. Only RAW filehave Raw file have RAW sensor data that can be processed from scratch.  Jpeg and Tiff has a previous processed RGB Image.  I also do not know how or if ACR processes layered Tiff files for Tiff supports layers. I would not think that ACR would support layers. It may just generate Pixels for the composite image like a smart object and converts those pixels. 

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LEGEND ,
Jun 06, 2018 Jun 06, 2018

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Lightroom can import and process raw, DNG, JPEG, PNG, PSD, and TIFF files including layered files in both RGB and CMYK file format. In the case of layered PSD files they must be saved with 'Maximize Compatibility' checked. All of these file formats can have their LR Develop settings saved to XMP metadata in the file with exception of raw files, which use XMP sidecars.

It appears the Adobe Camera Raw Plugin and Bridge can only apply and clear XMP Develop settings in raw, DNG, JPEG, and TIFF file formats. PSD and PNG file format are not supported. The question is why the difference?

I've reported this issue at the Photoshop Family forum as it appears to be a bug or "difference" in the file handling capability of ACR and Bridge versus Lightroom. Please add any further comments at the below post to prevent fragmentation of the discussion. Thank you!

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Jun 06, 2018 Jun 06, 2018

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May be because there is no Develop Plug-in for Photoshop.

Lightroom only has support a layered files composite image.  Lightroom does not support layers its does not support PSD file properly. Lightroom also has no develop plug-in for Photoshop so one must use ACR RAW interface Photoshop.  I also do not need Lihtrooms Library system  to manage image files for a busness. So I do not install Lightroom one less Adobe application to maintaine.   I'm quite sure many do not need Photoshop and may only install Lightroom.  They will not have PSD files or layered Tiff files..

The link you posted seem to do some strange things Manage Workspace - Get Satisfaction

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LEGEND ,
Jun 06, 2018 Jun 06, 2018

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JJ this originally started as an issue reported by a user who is editing PSD files in PS and exporting them to TIFF and JPEG file format using Image Processor. When his client opens the exported files in LR they they have develop settings applied. At no time has the user opened the PSD files in ACR or LR, but he's confirmed they have embedded XMP Develop settings. He is now trying to determine 1) Why this is happening and 2) How to remove the unwanted XMP develop settings.

I suggested using Bridge Develop Settings> Clear Settings, which was discovered grayed out and not usable. So we have the primary issue #1 and secondary discovery #2. I suggested using LR to Reset the Develop settings and then Save the default settings back to the PSD files. This should stop LR from applying unwanted settings even though there are still XMP settings embedded in the file.

Photoshop/ Lightroom is applying settings I dont want.

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Jun 06, 2018 Jun 06, 2018

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Todd - are these real, visible adjustments - not just metadata carried over from raw processing in ACR?

Maybe two unrelated things are happening here? The end user has an import preset without knowing, and then "your" user finds xmp metadata which he thinks are the same?

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LEGEND ,
Jun 06, 2018 Jun 06, 2018

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Both the photographer and his partner who is reporting the issue are using Capture One. The best description of the workflow is at Reply #14 here. I'll to ask him again to post one of the PSD files to Dropbox. and examine with ExifTool.

Re: Photoshop/ Lightroom is applying settings I dont want.

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https://forums.adobe.com/people/Todd+Shaner  wrote

a user who is editing PSD files in PS and exporting them to TIFF and JPEG file format using Image Processor. When his client opens the exported files in LR they they have develop settings applied.

That is a problem if the user added layers.  If they saved the PSD files with max compatibility and layer tiff file a with full composite layer I'm sure Lightroom  could use the full composite layers in these layered files.  However lightroom does not support the layers properly Lightroom's none destructive editing is no longer possible with these files.  Lightroon can not undo what Photoshop  changed in the full composite layer with the other layers.

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LEGEND ,
Jun 06, 2018 Jun 06, 2018

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JJMack  wrote

However lightroom does not support the layers properly Lightroom's none destructive editing is no longer possible with these files

Two points:

1) The client is reviewing non-layered JPEG and TIFF files that have been output from PS using Image Processor with the original PSD files. Also they are also only using Lightroom to view the files.

2) Lightroom is fully compatible with layered TIFF files and layered PSD files that are saved with  'Maximize Compatibility.' The rendering of layered files in LR is the same as in PS. Lightroom can't edit the TIFF  file layers, but you can edit the layers in PS and after saving the file those edits will automatically appear inside Lightroom.

As a side note it appears ACR won't open layered TIFF files that have embedded XMP develop settings. So yet another "difference" between Lightroom's and ACR's file handling.

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Lightroom and ACR do not support layers. Lightroom is not fully compatible with layered PSD file or Layerd Tiff files. For Lightroom does not support layers.

If ACR could open a Layered Tiff I would have to believe it could only do as Lightroon does that is use the Layered Files Fully merged Composite Image  Layer and ignore all the other layers in the image file. Process it as if is was a flat image file.

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Jun 07, 2018 Jun 07, 2018

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JJMack  wrote

Lightroom and ACR do not support layers. Lightroom is not fully compatible with layered PSD file or Layerd Tiff files. For Lightroom does not support layers.

JJ I've never had a LR compatibility issue with ANY layered TIFF file or PSD file (with 'Maximize Compatibility') inside LR.  I profess ignorance–Could you upload and share a layered file that demonstrates this compatibility issue when imported into LR? Thank you!

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Jun 07, 2018 Jun 07, 2018

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I can not test myself for I do not install Lightroom here is a very simple PSD one smart object layer that has been over sharpened  with a Smart Smart Sharpen filet through a filter mask.   I do believe Lightroom can do anything to fix the sharpening because Lightroom does not have layer support. http://www.mouseprints.net/old/dpr/Oversharpen.psd

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LEGEND ,
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JJMack  wrote

I can not test myself for I do not install Lightroom

OK, that answers my question and we're going off topic anyhow. I've filed a bug report at the below link and the issue has been confirmed by an Adobe Employee as a long-standing issue. Please feel free to add further comments at the report. Thank you.

Bridge: Clear Settings does not work with PSD FIles | Photoshop Family Customer Community

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https://forums.adobe.com/people/Todd+Shaner  wrote

It appears the Adobe Camera Raw Plugin and Bridge can only apply and clear XMP Develop settings in raw, DNG, JPEG, and TIFF file formats. PSD and PNG file format are not supported. The question is why the difference?

Yeah, I think it's a simple as that. Don't know the "why" - but it has always been like that. Bridge is supposed to work with ACR, not Lightroom.

I can't get it to work the other way either. I can't get Bridge to show Lightroom edits to a PSD I tested with. They are just ignored, and the PSD in its original form displayed in Bridge. All "Develop Settings" menu items grayed out.

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