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January 10, 2019
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Brushes, tools presets, why photoshop is getting worse and worse?

  • January 10, 2019
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I'm sorry if this message will be a little bit on the edge of rage but I'm really frustrated with newest photoshop and changes that Adobe, for some mysterious reasons, decided to include.

My question is very simple, WHY ON THE EARTH would you embed tool presets into some of the brushes WITHOUT an easy way to simply get rid of them and be able to use the brushed in however way you want? And no, I DON'T WANT to spend the rest of my life holding ctrl + alt to make sure that my tool doesn't change together with changing the brush. I'm a digitial artist and I'm changing brush sometimes every couple of seconds, and believe me, this additional action is making the whole procedure painful. I need to be able to juggle around with brushes without any interruptions. So dear Adobe, believe me when I'm saying, that if I would like to use a brush as a mixer brush, smudge tool or whatever I definitely knew how to do it BY MYSELF! You don't have to force me to use certain brushes only in one specific way (unless I want to hold ctrl + alt all the time). Why, why, why....

You would think that if they are making such a change there would be at least easy way to switch it off, haha, no, you are mistaken. Is it really that difficult to add simple function "Use default tool presets for brushes: YES/NO?" BAM! End of story, problem solved.

I don't want to be limited to use brushed in a way Adobe tells me too. Those ridiculous changes make the whole purpose of photoshop dissapear. It workflows use to allow freedom, creativity, speed, dynamism. Now every corner there is some stupid preset waiting for you to destroy your flow (unless you hold ctrl + alt every day all day long)

Time to change painting software, my whole company is planning to do it, good job Adobe.

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Participating Frequently
April 26, 2019

I've had the same frustrations with all of this; it's fine if they'd like to make an option to tether a brush to a particular tool, but for heaven's sake make sure we still have the option not to do so! The issue is that for people who have hundreds of brushes made and downloaded, they may not have realised that they using brushes with defined tool settings because this was not a component of previous PS versions. Not being able to toggle this on and off quickly and en masse for existing brushes means that, as OP said, one has to keep a finger on Command+Option for the rest of their painting days, or go back and re-define each brush one by one with the setting unchecked.

To wit, it's a problem that needs addressing in the next version. I've made a thread on the PS feedback site to hopefully achieve this: Toggle "Include Tool Settings" on Existing Brush Presets | Photoshop Family Customer Community

c.pfaffenbichler
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Community Expert
April 26, 2019

or go back and re-define each brush one by one with the setting unchecked.

Or use Photoshop CC2017 as an intermediary to strip an abr-file containing (all the) affected brushes of the setting and export an new abr-file for loading in CC2019.

Participating Frequently
April 26, 2019

Or use Photoshop CC2017 as an intermediary to strip an abr-file containing (all the) affected brushes of the setting and export an new abr-file for loading in CC2019.

Yes this too; though still a clunky workaround

c.pfaffenbichler
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Community Expert
January 10, 2019

I am not unfamiliar with frustration (or even exasperation) over Adobe-decisions.

Adobe Illustrator’s Pen Tool’s path-closing behaviour for example seems to be nothing short of insulting.

Why destroy the backwards bezier handle and not accept the possibility that Illustrator users might know what they are doing (some of the time at least)?

And there is also the bug fixing performance of some product teams …

But this seems like a non-issue to me.

If one does not want to use those recently introduced Brush features one simply does not have to.

And that some brushes Adobe provides (like the ones created by Kyle T Webster) utilise them seems irrelevant, one can simply avoid loading and using those, can one not?

Participating Frequently
January 10, 2019

Hello Derek, it is a difficult question because there are very little choices that are so versatile like photoshop. We are testing out Affinity now, so far it's the best replacement I've encountered, we will see how it performs on a long run.

January 10, 2019

Not like Photoshop at all but great for digital artist and it's free

Krita | Digital Painting. Creative Freedom.

Participating Frequently
January 10, 2019

I don't mind reading and I do know about ctrl option, I mentioned it in my initial post the thing is that I don't want to hold ctrl till the end of my life every time I change a brush while painting.

I do acknoledge that there is always room for improvement so I will take a look at photoshop every now and then and who knows, maybe we will come back to it once it's solved in a reasonable way.

Derek Cross
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Community Expert
January 10, 2019

As a matter of interest, which application are you proposing to change to?

Trevor.Dennis
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Community Expert
January 10, 2019

As with all changes and improvements, there is a wee learning curve, but it's really not hard.  To save you reading the whole of the linked thread (although I suggest that you do read it)  Ctrl clicking a preset will load its settings without changing tool.  Meanwhile, we have a much more powerful brush preset management system.   Put some work into it, and you'll soon wonder how you coped with the old way.

Re: Changing the brush without changing the tool

Participating Frequently
January 10, 2019

yes, I understand that I can do all those things. But before I didn't have too, I could choose whatever brush I want with whatever tool and there was no need for any extra work. And this is the issue.

All in all I just wanted to let my anger out, so please don't take my post personally. I simply don't get why certain choices are taken away from you even though before it wasn't a problem. I hope that this "feature" will be a bit more flexible with future updates.

Participating Frequently
January 10, 2019

Thank you for your response. To be honest I'm addressing Adobe only metaphorically

I'm not saying that it's not beneficial for anyone, I'm saying that not having an easy option to decide wheter you want to use it or not is ridiculous because for a lot of people, artists especially, this feature is destructive.

c.pfaffenbichler
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 10, 2019

Your reasoning on this issue does not seem sensible to me. 

If someone created a Brush with those settings that’s their decision.

If you don’t want to use the features you need not use those Brushes.

If you want to use the Brushes, but not as the people who created them intended (or possibly inadvertently created them), you can »remove« the settings by either re-saving the Brush with the options unchecked (admittedly tedious depending on the number of brushes) or by exporting the Brushes and re-exporting them from an older Photoshop version for example.

A »report« exists on the subject by the way:

Photoshop CC 2018: Some brush presets only work with certain tools (eraser, brush, clone, etc) | Photoshop Family Custom…

c.pfaffenbichler
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 10, 2019

This is a user Forum, so you are not really addressing Adobe here, even though some Adobe employees thankfully have been dropping by.

I don't want to be limited to use brushed in a way Adobe tells me too.

You seem to mistake Adobe for the person who creates a Brush and decides to »Include Tool Settings« and »Include Color« or not.

Adobe added that option and if you are being honest you should be able to acknowledge that it can be beneficial.