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November 22, 2017
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Changing the brush without changing the tool

  • November 22, 2017
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I've noticed an annoying thing since the 19.0 release. I will do my best to articulate this clearly.

Ill often go back and forth between the brush tool, the history brush and the mixer brush. And I like to experiment with how different brushes work with these tools. But when I select certain brushes, the tool switches to the one that is saved in that brush preset. So for example, let's say I'm using the art history brush tool. I go to find a brush that looks interesting, click it, and bam, I'm no longer using the art history brush tool, I'm using the brush tool.

Is there a way to prevent this from happening? It's so frustrating. A work-around I've found is to duplicate a brush and save it without "include tool settings" checked. But this is time-consuming and should not be necessary.

Thank you,

Bryan

Correct answer jairo_espinosa

hey, I was looking for the same answer, stumbled upon your question and I just discovered the solution while playing around and holding CTRL+ALT while selecting the brush, hope it helps.

14 replies

Participant
October 22, 2022

Had the same problem.... solved it by choosing the brush tip from the Brush settings window and then there is no problems 🙂

Trevor.Dennis
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 22, 2022

There's some misinformation in these answers.  If you have the Brush Tip option turned on you can see what tool each preset will switch to when selected.  Click on the little cog icon in the top right corner of the brush right click menu.  I can't think of any downside, so I like to work with all of the options turned on.

 

Kyle's Megapack has a bunch of different tools associated with some of its presets, and selecting them switch to that tool if not already seelected.  To avoid that, you only need to hold down Ctrl (Cmd) and not Ctrl Alt (Cmd Opt).

Participant
December 16, 2021

YES this! I work with masks A LOT and when I use a brush in a mask, say, for the eresor tool, and then I need to adjust the base image and want to use the same brush for the clone tool, this is impossible with the quick selection. BIG dislike. Wish this could be 'turned off' somewhere in the quick selection tool presets or something. with a simple click. I understand why it can be easy to have this option, but I wish we would be able to turn the 'remember tool settings with brush' on and off.

 

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Participant
August 1, 2019

I whish that the next time that the developer who implemented this workflow sits down in the restaurant, he will be served a glass of water - unasked. When he complains that he wanted a beer, the waiter shall reply: "Sir, you are sitting at the wrong table. At this table we just serve water. Please sit down at table 4 if you want beer." This is how using this brush tool mechanism feels like.

That the tool changes automatically when I select a different brush and there is no one-click solution to disable this behavior is such a user-unfriendly design. When I am designing software I should make workflows simple and customizable. Not trying to make the user's life harder

Participating Frequently
April 26, 2019

Agreed with others lamenting on here; this is a painful blow to the workflow. It may somehow be helpful for some, but for most who use it as a professional illustration tool it seems to be quite a headache. All we need is the ability to toggle this on and off for our existing brushes (preferably with the option to do so in batches and not one-by-one).

I've started a thread on the Photoshop feedback site designating this not as a problem to troubleshoot, but as a feature that needs to be included in the next update: Toggle "Include Tool Settings" on Existing Brush Presets | Photoshop Family Customer Community

Much obliged if anyone wants to upvote/support this so we can see something done about it!

Participating Frequently
August 17, 2021

I like how photoshop will leave a particular brush shape for each tool, however switching to a new tool when you choose a new brush is [removed] stupid, a simple checkbox "link tool to brush shape" if you don't want that would be nice. or "Use Legacy" as in many other Photoshop "features". 

Participant
January 6, 2019

I have the same issue and I am so frustrated with adobe for this change! It has crippled my workflow as a digital painter to the point I am seeking new software solutions.

Trevor.Dennis
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 6, 2019

Barb, what specifically is causing you problems?  You can use the brushes just like we always used to by Ctrl clicking on a preset to prevent it changing tools.

Participating Frequently
January 10, 2019

I'm sorry Trevor but do you really believe that for an artist or graphic designer (who needs to work fast) this sudden change won't cause any troubles? It is not "just click ctrl + alt" and everything will be ok, because changing brushes for an artist is suppose to be an automatic action that he can do without any extra procedures. When painting I'm changing brushes non stop, and believe me, having to deal with the additional "ctrl + alt" click every single time drives me crazy and makes my workflow so much slower and so much less pleasant! Painting digitally has been my passion and my job, but Adobe, making things more and more stupid just doesn't comply with this anymore and instead is making the whole procedure painful. That's why I'm exploring different softwares and slowly changing.

Lastly, I will just mention what makes me so angry about it. I want to have freedom in my workflow. If I want to use brush as a mixer brush then I can do it BY MYSELF.  Photoshop doesn't need to force me to use certain brushes only as a mixer brush or as a smudge brush, I just don't understand reasoning behind it! I know that world is slowly turning more and more stupid, more and more automatic so people can use less and less of their own thinking but JESUS, does it have to be enforced? Is it so difficult to include simple option "use default tool preset; yes/no" ??? This whole thing completely kills creativity in the process, kills the loosness and dynamism, I think it's the opposite than what Adobe should want to achieve with their products ...

Participant
September 5, 2018

Thanks for the comprehensive info Trevor,

The solution I got from that was just closing all of the new brushes down and dragging the legacy brushes to the top of the stack and they work as they always used to, you select a brush chose a pressure and away you go.

I don't mind the fact that they add new features, obviously that's what we want, but to alter something as fundamental as this and basically make it more time consuming and complicated to use is very counter productive IMHO.

You can obviously select the brushes you want with command+alt but who wants to fiddle around like that...Adobe....slowly losing their way...

Many thanks again

Stuart

Participant
September 4, 2018

Anyone know how to turn this ridiculous feature off? This has to be the single most annoying thing Adobe have ever done!

Trevor.Dennis
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 4, 2018

stuartr57951752  wrote

Anyone know how to turn this ridiculous feature off? This has to be the single most annoying thing Adobe have ever done!

Stuart, I very much doubt Adobe will go backwards with the new Brush Management system, but I would hope that they fine tune and improve its workflow — there is most definitely plenty of room to do this.  So we are  left with the situation of having to make it work for us.  This has happened lots of times in the past.  The big change to the Crop tool for instance, with (I think) CS6.  I had a little hissy fit on this forum myself about that, but I would hate to have to go back to the old way now.

The new Brush Management arrangement is not a good parallel, as I think there is too much wrong with it, but if you look at what you don't like about it one thing at a time, you can fix quite a lot of it.

The first thing is that the presets we have got used to over the last 25 years are suddenly hard to find, so I suggest deleting every single group, and opening the Legacy folder. 

The default sub-folder is where are old favourites live.  You can see that I have all the options

You can see that I have all the options turned on above.  This is pretty much unavoidable if you want to avoid the gotchas the new system introduces, like embedded tool presets

The next thing is being changed to another tool if you don't realise the preset you just picked is not for the tool you are currently using.  That's easy to get past.  Just hold  down the Ctrl (Cmd) key when clicking, and you'll keep with the current tool.  The thing to  remember here though, is that the presets are designed to be tool specific, and work best with that tool.  There are so many fantastic presets now, just find one that works with the current tool.

The number one worst thing about the new system, is that you can't find the wood for the trees.  It is so damn cluttered, and hard to  find stuff.  So it is totally worth investing the time it takes to make a favourites folder.  It is so easy to drag and drop, or make new presets.  Of course I have not done this properly myself, but I have consolidated a number of brush categories at least.   I only have one folder of Smoke presets for instance, instead of six, some of which had maybe one or two useful presets.

If  you take the trouble to do this, then you can turn off most of the clutter, so you can get back to finding things again. What I have done is to take this last approach even though I don't know all the presets, and take a chance on getting it wrong sometimes.  It is simple enough to switch back to the tool you were using, and either Ctrl select the preset, or look for another. 

It's a bit ironic that I have a lot of brush folders, but use only a couple of dozen presets for 95% of what I do, so I have consolidated at least a wee bit by adding some of my own presets to my favourite folder, which is Skin & Hair textures by Castrochew. 

And while I am sure it is mentioned back up the thread, do go and get Kyle's Mega-Pack if you don't already have it.  I am really quite impressed at how useful some of presets it contains are.  The problem does come back to too much choice — waaaaay too much choice — but cherry pick the best of them to your favorites folder and keep the main folder closed.

Lastly, do remember that you can have the same folder open multiple times.  This drove me crazy when I first started using V19 as I didn't realise why things were in such a mess.  I can only think they have done it this way so you can open a second instance, rename, and make it the basis for a new favourites folder or similar.

One more last thing ;-) 

I hate that Adobe have changed the way folders are now listed in the right click menu.  We used to be able to see all the folders in multiple columns, but it now lists in a single column.  This was done deliberately for people with stupid numbers of folders, which scrolled off the screen to the right and were difficult to get to, so we are now forced to scroll up and down.  The only tip I can give you here is to use the cursor keys, which scroll a faster than clicking on the arrows top and bottom.  This also lets you roll over to the other end of the list.  Not great, but makes the best of a bad thing.

And a final last thing:

If you do have a ton of folders, you can rename them in File Explorer, and I imagine, Finder, to group them by category (i.e. smoke, flares, cracks etc.)  this makes them a lot easier to find, but it is easier still to consolidate the best from each folder of a specific type, into a single folder and delete the rest.

I can't think of any more last things for now.

Trevor.Dennis
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 13, 2018

The thing to remember here, is that we are not losing anything.  These are not old presets that now only work with certain tools.  They are completely new presets that are optimized for the tools indicated.  So just keep Additional Information checked so you can see what tools the presets are set for, and avoid choosing unsuitable presets. 

I don't know for sure, but I think that more than half of the presets do not have a specific tool assigned to them.  At any rate, there are a ton that don't and that will work with any tool.

I try to limit myself to no more than a 100 brush sets, although that went out of the widow with the addition of Kyle's plethora of new presets with CC2018.  But even with all those sets, I still use about a dozen to 20 presets on a regular basis, and I nearly always make a new preset whenever I need something different.  Apart from the flexibility of this strategy, it lets you learn the brush engine.  I often spend hours experimenting when I have no projects running and the forums are slow.

It is also so easy to create new groups/sets now complete with tool presets, which should let us streamline our brush management by grouping our most used presets into a reduced number of groups/sets.

Like all big changes, it can be frustrating at first.  The new Crop tool that came with CS6 drove me mad at first, but I'd hate to go back to the old way now.

Participant
August 22, 2022

What people are complaining about here is the unwanted switchig of tool. It would be wasy to fix if there was a "show only brushes for this tool" option. 

jairo_espinosaCorrect answer
Participant
February 13, 2018

hey, I was looking for the same answer, stumbled upon your question and I just discovered the solution while playing around and holding CTRL+ALT while selecting the brush, hope it helps.

davescm
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 13, 2018

The Ctrl+Alt (Cmd+Opt on Mac) to load a brush without its tool preset was added in version 19.1.0 so make sure you have the current update to use it.

Dave

Anastasiy Safari
Inspiring
January 29, 2018

Hey, I'm creator of MagicSquire, new brush organizing plugin for Adobe Photoshop. You can use MagicSquire's 2.3 feature that lets you use any Photoshop's tool as other tool. It's as easy as ALT-clicking on the Tool Preset you saved in the MagicSquire.

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Hope that helps too!