Clarification Regarding Generative Fill Credits

[Kontrive]

Hi everyone,

I am considering the ‘Photography’ subscription, which comes with the 100 generative fill credits per month. I have a couple of questions:

• I’ve seen that if you generate something, you get a choice of three options. Does this count as one credit? Or, is it only when you pick something you like, you use a credit? It would seen crazy that a credit is used up on something that might be completely unusable?
• When the credits run out for the month, I’ve heard that you can still use the generative fill, just at a much slower speed. Is this right?

Thanks! 🙂

[Peru Bob]

• When the credits run out for the month, I’ve heard that you can still use the generative fill, just at a much slower speed. Is this right?

By @Kontrive

That is correct.

[Peru Bob · Accepted solution]

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@Kontrive wrote:

• I’ve seen that if you generate something, you get a choice of three options. Does this count as one credit? Or, is it only when you pick something you like, you use a credit? It would seen crazy that a credit is used up on something that might be completely unusable?

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How are generative credits consumed?

The consumption of generative credits depends on the generated output's computational cost and the value of the generative AI feature used.

Examples of actions where you are debited generative credits:

• Select Generate in Text Effects
• Select Load more or Refresh in Text to Image

Use Generative Recolor in Adobe Illustrator.

Use Text Effects in Adobe Express.

Use Generative Fill in Adobe Photoshop.

Examples of when you're not debited generative credits:

• Using generative AI features defined in the rate table as "0.”
• Selecting View samples in the Firefly gallery since opening the art isn't a new generation. But you'll be debited generative credits if you select Refresh, which requires a new generation.

Generative credits usage rate table:

Product	Feature	Generative credit use
Adobe Photoshop	Generative Fill	1
	Generative Expand	1
Adobe Express	Generative Fill	1
	Text to Image	1
	Text to Template (beta*)	0 credits for a limited time. Check back after January 1, 2024, for more information.
	Text Effects
Adobe Illustrator	Text to Vector Graphic (beta*)	1
	Generative Recolor	1
Adobe Stock	Text to Image	1
	Expand Image	1
Adobe Firefly web app	Text to Image- Firefly Image 1 and Firefly Image 2 models	1
	Generative Fill	1
	Generative Recolor	1
	Text Effects	0 credits for a limited time. Check back after January 1, 2024, for more information.

* Outputs from beta features can be used commercially unless otherwise designated in the product or elsewhere, but aren't eligible for indemnification while in beta.

The credit consumption rates are for standard images of up to 2000 x 2000 pixels. To receive the above-listed consumption rates, you must use the latest version of the software. Usage rates may vary. Plans are subject to change.

Adobe Firefly is evolving rapidly. The rate card will be updated as we add more features and services. We plan to offer higher-resolution images, animation, video, and 3D generative AI features in the future. The number of generative credits consumed for those features may be greater.

from here:

https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/using/generative-credits-faq.html

[Kontrive]

Thanks for the replies. Good to know it still works when credits run out

However, the info regarding how a credit is used is still unclear.

In the table it just says one credit is used for a "generative fill",  but how is that defined? Is it when you select one of the generated options? Or is a "generative fill" any time you generate three choices out of which you can select one?

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

It's whenever you click "Generate".

[Kontrive]

Thanks for clarifying 🙂

It seems that will need to change in future. Not a great way to do things 🙂

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@Kontrive how so? Each time you hit Generate it initiates the load on the cloud server. Seems pretty straight forward if you read the FAQ @Peru Bob provided...

[Kontrive]

It wasn't straightforward in the FAQ, hence why I asked for clarification.
It seemed crazy to me that people will be charged credits for generating each and every time, as a large amount will not be useable. How many times to you generate something and immediately go "yep, that's me done".
Rather, what should happen is, small previews should be generated free of charge, and only when you select one that looks suitable, should you be charged.
There's a good reason a great number of people think that the current method of Adobe's charging for Generative Fill is a rip-off. Because it is.
Like I say, this will have to change in the future, if Adobe wants money from people like me.
Anyways, like I said, thanks for the clarification - I'll keep my money, for now 🙂

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@Kontrive Adobe isn't charging for Generative Fill - its included in your subscription plan. Yes you can buy additional credits if necessary. What helps in the end is writing descriptive, detailed prompts to control the expected outcomes from the service. If 100 credits is not enough via the Photo plan ($9.99/mo) then consider a different subscription.

Also other Generative AI models are comparatively more expensive per month for just the AI service, no Photoshop included.

[Kontrive]

Photoshop is already far too expensive. Charging for Genertive Fill credits on top of that is only acceptable to me if done via the method I described. Many others feel the same.
Currently, it can take many generations to get something useable. Trying to justify things by blaming the user for not giving a clear enough prompt is something that is cringe-inducing. I'd rethink saying that to people in the future. Seriously.
Anyways, of course there's no convincing someone who lives on the Adobe Community forum 🙂 But, thanks, and best wishes.