Color saturation difference between PS and LRC

Hi ariro7

thanks for your thanks

you wrote: "

I have also followed Neil (NB, Colourmanagement Net) that suggested I should try to switch the external display color profile to another profile. I found one called DisplayProfile_linear.icc and YES both images from LrC and Ps are similar now.

I'll have to retry another calibration and see what happens. "

I'm pleased that what you tried worked, but of course as D.Fosse writes its vital that at least the main (most important) display has a correct profile. SO do be sure to redo the calibration. Make. V2 profile.

Actually what I suggested was to set the less important (internal?) display to the same icc profile as the more important one. In a Macbook scenario, the external display is normally used as the main (most important) display, so you'd set the MacBook to that display's profile.

I hope that works

I hope this helps
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Hi

you are very welcome.

is that an M1 chip MacBook by the way? I've added a note below about that.

yes, make a good profile using your calibration/profiling kit and set that for both,

with the obvious disadvantage that your MacBook now has an inaccurate appearance. 

:: CALIBRATION & PROFILING OF YOUR SYSTEM::

IF you are doing any serious imaging work and would like to see continuity of appearance between your system and others, such as a print service - or even your own printer - then your main working display really does need to be calibrated & profiled.

For that you'll need a sensor such as the X-Rite i1display pro (better than Spyder).

I highly recommend basICColor display v6 calibration & profiling software -  

and select v2 ICC profiles. as they seem more universally acceptable

more here https://www.colourmanagement.net/products/basiccolor/basiccolor-display-software/

With any calibration you need to be sure that the achieved result is accurate, my belief is that the only way to achieve that is by using an unequivocal reference, a physical reference item. For this I use http://www.colourmanagement.net/products/icc-profile-verification-kit

I wonder if this is predominantly an issue on M1 chip macs and dual displays?

It seems that Apple have 'changed' the display sensing/ display description on those Macs to show displays as "unknown", internally rather than by name.  

I was speaking to the developer of basICColor display 6 software about this today and he came across the issue, for which he has had to develop a workaround. Of course it's been reported to Apple but as their "issue with LUT type ICC profiles" has been around since OSX 10.12 and much reported, maybe a fix will not happen anytime soon.  

If anyone would like to test display 6 on their mac which is showing this issue it would be great to have feedback: https://www.colourmanagement.net/products/basiccolor/basiccolor-display-software/

I hope this helps
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Hi,

maybe you are seeing a variation on the issue discussed here: https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/photoshop/inconsistent-color-display-on-external-monitors-photoshop-v-2211-and-bridge-v-1101-mac/601d811de3ae5d2eb279162b

I hope this helps
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Ariro - You mention "when displaying elsewhere on the computer or on the Web"

IF elsewhere on the computer includes using Windows Photos, then, as that program does not use colour management, please note that it is incapable of showing accurate colour.

If you are placing Pro Photo RGB images on the web then that’s an almost certainly a fail because the (current) ideal web colourspace is sRGB, pleas convert, save with 'embed the profile' and place that. 

it COULD be a bad display profile, as has been mentioned

Display profile issues on Windows

At least once a week on this forum we read about this, or very similar issues of appearance differing between colour managed applications.

Of course, you must not expect accurate colour with programs such as Windows "Photos", because colour management is not implemented there so such programs are incapable of providing accurate image display.

Unfortunately, with Microsoft hardware: Windows updates, Graphics Card updates and Display manufacturers have a frustratingly growing reputation for installing useless (corrupted) monitor display profiles.

I CAN happen with Macs but with far less likelihood, it seems.

The issue can affect different applications in different ways, some not at all, some very badly.

The poor monitor display profile issue is hidden by some applications, specifically those that do not use colour management, such as Microsoft Windows "Photos".

Photoshop is correct, it’s the industry standard for viewing images, in my experience it's revealing an issue with the Monitor Display profile rather that causing it. Whatever you do, don't ignore it. As the issue isn’t caused by Photoshop, don’t change your Photoshop ‘color settings’ to try fix it. 

To find out if the monitor display profile is the issue, I recommend you to try setting the monitor profile for your own monitor display under “Device” in your Windows ‘color management’ control panel to sRGB temporarily. 

You can ADD sRGB if its not already listed. 

And be sure to check “Use my settings for this device”.

(OR, if you have a wide gamut monitor display (check the spec online) it’s better to try Adobe RGB here instead).

Quit and relaunch Photoshop after the control panel change, to ensure the new settings are applied.

Screenshot of Color Management Control Panel 

Depending on the characteristics of your monitor display and your requirements, using sRGB or Adobe RGB here may be good enough - but custom calibration is a superior approach.

If this change fixes the issue, it is recommended that you should now calibrate and profile the monitor properly using a calibration sensor like i1display pro, which will create and install it's own custom monitor profile. The software should install it’s profile correctly so there should be no need to manually set the control panel once you are doing this right. 

Still got problems?

If you want to try a method that’s proved successful to rule out many an issue we see with Photoshop, you can reset preferences:

To reset the preferences in Photoshop: 

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html

Note: Make sure that you back up all your custom presets, brushes & actions before restoring Photoshop's preferences. Migrate presets, actions, and settings

I hope this helps

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Yes, this is most likely a bad monitor profile. From the description it checks all the boxes.

ariro - there is no need to have the same color settings or the same color profile in PS and Lightroom. Any color profile out of Lightroom will be correctly handled in Photoshop regardless. The embedded profile will always override the working space in Photoshop. Or at least it should, as long you don't change the default policy to "preserve embedded profiles".

The whole point of color management is that color spaces no longer need to match. Any color managed application will display and handle everything correctly. Unless there's a broken profile in the mix.

A couple of things:

1. Check your monitor profile. This is set in your operating system and used by both Photoshop and Lightroom. However if it is faulty it can impact both differently. The best way is to build a new profile with a hardware calibration device but as a faultfinding measure you could temporarily set it to sRGB (or ARGB if you have a wide gamut monitor). That will not be fully accurate but at least both LR and Photoshop should look the same.

2. You mention viewing on the computer or the web. ProPhoto should go nowhere near the web or non colour managed applications. For that use Export from Lightroom or Photoshop and both convert to sRGB and Embed the color profile. That way colour managed applications will see it correctly and non colour managed applications/browsers will display incorrectly but be consistent with other images on the web.

Dave