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Sorry, need help ASAP. I designed a book with 20 digital pencil illustrations. I have a hardware calibrated BenQ monitor. Sheridan (the Printer) specifies that for black only printing, all images should be converted to grayscale. Makes sense. They also specify the expected Dot Gain for uncoated stock on a Web Press is 25-27%. Ok cool. However, when I ask about grayscale profiles for 1) converting images to grayscale and 2) soft proofing the images on screen, they just keep answering that no profiles are needed for grayscale. To my knowledge, you cannot convert an image or even view an image without a profile. If a custom one is not selected, Photoshop will use the default profile. Which in my case is Dot Gain 20%. I don't know if I'm thinking about it all wrong, but here are my questions. PS, if you didn't guess yet, I have never printed a book interior in single color black only:
Open Color Settings, and in the Working Gray rolldown, click Load Gray and navigate to the CMYK profile that will be used for print:
If you start with an RGB file, converting to grayscale will now convert to the K component in the CMYK profile, which is what you want. It will also appear as a Convert to Profile option if you have grayscale files in other gray spaces.
InDesign does not have proper grayscale color management support. A grayscale file will just be sent directly and unmanaged
...Dot gain (ink spread in the paper) is built into all CMYK profiles. The dot gain profiles are outdated and not really used anymore. They're not accurate and don't correspond to modern printing processes.
But you need to know which CMYK profile. Keep nagging! You do need it for grayscale, as per above.
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I wasn't even going to get into running this through imposition software and creating signatures. Presumably the printer handles that here.
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I wasn't even going to get into running this through imposition software and creating signatures. Presumably the printer handles that here.
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That's not what I was referring to.
Litho/offset web printing is by definition cost effective for long runs. So I was agreeing that it makes no sense for short runs, unless they have a large print area and can gang up multiple smaller size orders, however, I doubt that this would be economical, even if one adjusts their expectations of what short run means in this context.
My guess is that this would be a digital web press platform.
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I wouldn't expect a smaller shop to be able to easily run rollfed jobs because of the cutting involved. Sheetfed is a lot easier for a shop where they don't do big press runs. The whole thing sounds wonky to me though. If its digital then its a modern RIP (I've worked with film-based imagesetters and OLD RIP software that was a joy) but who knows.
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And I looked at their website and its not a small shop. Hopefully the OP's project turns out ok.
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@michaelsgoldman - Unfortunately the overwhelming majority of self publishing print on demand service providers appear to be both useless and clueless when it comes to file prep colour management, at least going by the posts from customers such as yourself and looking at their information. Of course, YMMV.
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They recommend
PSO Uncoated ISO12647_eci.icc
for uncoated:
https://www.sheridan.com/wp-content/uploads/Halftone-Guidelines_ICC-Profiles_Dot-Gain_Dec2023.pdf
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Thank you, I finally saw that too, but I was not sure if it applied because the first parapgrah just talks about scanning haltone images, and my illustrations were made digitally:
"Scanning halftone images for offset printing is a challenging process that requires close attention to detail in order to achieve high-quality files."
The recommended icc profiles would still apply though to converting digital images?
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The recommended icc profiles would still apply though to converting digital images?
By @michaelsgoldman
Yes, that's the (presumably emulated) target condition.
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