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April 21, 2019
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Font Size in PX isn't accurate, why?

  • April 21, 2019
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Hi everybody,

When I measure a font's height at 40px, it's not. It's 30px. It must be measuring the box around the text (I guess?), but that doesn't really help me.

Why doesn't Photoshop just measure the actual font height and can I adjust things so that my actual letter height = the height in the panel?

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    Correct answer jane-e

    K, so in order to measure fonts in an exact fashion it would be a mess. Gotcha.

    I'm just surprised there isn't a rough reference for capital lettering. I would think that would be a pretty solid way to measure letters w/o a box. Then take ascenders/descenders as an addition to that base measurement.


    soupking  wrote

    I'm just surprised there isn't a rough reference for capital lettering. 

    Hi,

    We measure type as Guttenburg did—by measuring the size of the metal block the text is on (or used to be on), including ascenders and descnders. This is the ruler I’ve been using for 30 years to measure typesize and leading. Hold the various E’s on top of a capital letter to find your typesize.

    Type Setting Graphic Arts Ruler 13.75 inch Painting Crafts division of Hofcraft The Painters Source

    Jane

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    Norman Sanders
    Legend
    April 21, 2019

    I do not know how Adobe specifies type size so perhaps the following has little relevance. On the off chance that it is similar to the foundry type that, as a youngster, I learned to set (and distribute it back into the job case after it had been used).

    I searched around for a diagram that might be helpful when referring to type in terms of point size.

    Note that the letter sits on a shoulder that is larger than the letter. This allows area for ascenders (lower case l, k and h, for example) and for desscenders (example: g, p and q)

    In fact, the origin of the phrase "mind your p's and q's", meaning be careful, originated in letterpress shops where the metal letters are backward, easy for the novice to confuse.

    In addition to the. face, ascender and descender there is additional blank space at the bottom of the shoulder so that, when several lines are set, the bottom of a descender will not butt the top of an ascender in the line below.

    As a result, you cannot take a measure of the face and call that the type size. The point size is what is shown above as Point Body and includes the shoulder.

    To repeat, when Adobe refers to point or pixel size, I don't know whether or not the presumed body is part of the point designation. I assume, in providing for line-below-line spacing, even without leading, they make the same accommodation.

    jane-e
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    Community Expert
    April 22, 2019

    norman.sanders  wrote

    I do not know how Adobe specifies type size so perhaps the following has little relevance. On the off chance that it is similar to the foundry type that, as a youngster, I learned to set (and distribute it back into the job case after it had been used).

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    Norman, your descriptions are spot on, and measuring type has not changed since those days. A font is still one typestyle, one typeface, and one type size — only what goes in one of those cases.

    soupking​, hopefully you have a better understanding now about measuring type and how it’s not Adobe’s decision to make. And it’s too late to take it up with Gutenberg!

    Norman, now that I’m home, I grabbed a couple of letters out of my box of type and took a quick photo:

    Derek Cross
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    Community Expert
    April 22, 2019

    You should view (and read) them the other way around.

    davescm
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    Community Expert
    April 21, 2019

    Have you allowed for descenders and ascenders?

    Dave

    April 21, 2019

    Ascenders and descenders, never heard of them.

    Legend
    April 21, 2019

    The size of a font is always given in terms of the box around it, has been for 500 years. This always includes the ascender (the tallest part of the font like "T") and descender (the lowest part of the font like "j"), and a bit of space top and bottom. Photoshop does what all other apps do (and if the size was dynamic, horrible things would happen, like you add a "j" and the text shrinks and jumps up).