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Forced Content Credentials on my Art (may As well watermark our images with the Adobe Logo)

Forum|Forum|2 years ago
September 26, 2023
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Here's an interesting yet gross tech adaptation moment I did not see comoing.
I feel utterly violated.
Upon export of an image I just completed to send off I am being prompted that a content credential is being applied because generative AI was used.

And this is Adobe's to watermark in my image metadata how?
That is the first problem. [cursing removed] with watermarking my images. If Adobe wants to watermark my images, they can pay the subscription. Until then, this has ethical implications that transcend the nature of our relationship.
The second problem is: THERE IS NO GENERATIVE AI in MY IMAGE.

I need first to be clear that even if there were, Adobe has no business force tagging creations I have made with the tools I pay for with information I do not want included.
Among dozens of other concerns moral and ethical, there's the challenge that I face now; Adobe is playing content creation police and they are issuing a ticket for Ai when there is none and I CANNOT OVERRIDE IT.

Yes Content Credentials are turned off. Doesn't Matter. Adobe has decided that I used AI and that they have an ethical obligation to informing others that view my image.
I don't think it's any of their flipping business. I do think they are best to let that be decided by the artist and the artistic community. I do think they better get it freaking right in the first place if they want to argue why they should be the Content Credential Police.

This is absurd. I have ZERO tools in my many many pieces of software and hardware that INSERT INFORMATION INTO MY CREATIONS WITHOUT MY CONSENT.. ZERO!

It feels violating because IT IS VIOLATING.
Adobe has poured a bucket of paint on my work/watermarked it/added forced content credentials - it's all the same.

I have no problem with AI. I have no problem using AI, composites, remove tools, whatever. I have no problem admitting it. I have no problem tagging it in my work if that becomes a standard. I have a problem with ADOBE taking away my choice.
Set aside the bevvy of logistic headaches and challenges that can, will, and have arised and then
ON PRINCIPLE this is an overstep that is unprecedented.

While not so dire of consequences, the essence of this is the same as big tech playing judge and jury and cutting people off a platform and or limiting access to their banking etc. Here we have big tech placing a tag on my work that is of censequence, getting it wrong, and me attempting to wash the disgusting feeling off of me.
Seriously. I despise Adobe, have since about my 3rd month of subscription years ago.
And yet PS is an essential tool for my workflow and nothing exists to replace it.
Removing features and making them a different additional subscription though, a lack of real, knowledgable Adobe provided support, and now thinking it's okay to advertise what tools I use..
At a certain point I will just start editing completely differently.

One of the greatest and ONLY satisfactions I get is COMPLETING a project.
I completed my project and as I was ready to sit back and acknowledge the work, a little twerp jumped up and began dancing the charleston.
Seriously.
In what world, where, when, to what artist has it EVER been okay for someone else to FORCE something into or onto the art?
It makes me feel sick.

Photoshop 25
windows 10 home
i7 7700
32 g ram
nvidia 1070

Windows

Beste Antwort von davescm

Sorry - but whilst we welcome debate in the forum, personal attacks on forum members, profanity and comparisons to gestapo are not.

I'm locking, and reporting, this thread which has deteriorated way beyond healthy debate

Dave

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J E L

Community Expert

@D Fosse, I'm thinking this only applies to AI wholly-produced text-to-image works. The level of human creativity involved in a work is still a significant consideration whether the US Copyright Office will grant copyright protection. From this article: https://www.engadget.com/ai-generated-images-from-text-cant-be-copyrighted-us-government-rules-174243933.html

However, the office has left the door open to granting copyright protections to work with AI-generated elements. “The answer will depend on the circumstances, particularly how the AI tool operates and how it was used to create the final work,” it said.

D Fosse

Community Expert

You are suggesting that when I use AI as a tool to create an image, I do not have copyright on the image?

By @Hunter Wade

That is absolutely correct. There have already been court decisions about this, and it is now established practice.

For copyright to apply, it has to be created by a human. Typing in a prompt does not qualify.

I'll let the lawyers decide how much of the image has to be AI generated, but a reasonable assumption would be a significant part of the image.

J E L

Community Expert

@Hunter Wade, I appreciate the conversation and the AI controversy in total as an ongoing dialogue for creatives, so thank you for bringing up your concerns. I feel your sincerity about it. I hope we are all able to navigate his new world together without enduring too much loss of our hearts. In any event, I'm curious to know what result you get when you use Adobe's Verify inspection tool on that particular photo, here: https://verify.contentauthenticity.org/inspect. Is it possible to share it with us?

Stephen Marsh

Community Expert

I'm curious to know what result you get when you use Adobe's Verify inspection tool on that particular photo, here: https://verify.contentauthenticity.org/inspect. Is it possible to share it with us?

By @J E L

Both of the attached JPEG files had the butterfly (moth?) added using Generative Fill.

Only one of the JPEG files passes the verification inspector website tool.

So at the moment (Content Credentials is still in beta), this is easy to circumvent using a native Photoshop feature.

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Hunter WadeAutor

Inspiring

You are suggesting that when I use AI as a tool to create an image, I do not have copyright on the image?
I believe you have a misunderstanding.
AI named Bill cannot receive copyright protection. I can though.

What steps were produced?
I worked on the project for 20something hours.

I used the generative tool while working in the project because it is new, it is neat, and if it gave me results I liked, I'd have kept it.
But I did not like the results. They looked like utter crap and I could not figure out how to upscale the oddly granular and blurry creations of grass. I also attempted making a boulder to see if it worked in my image. It did not.

So are my images meant to be tagged to let people know I was considering using AI?
Is this Minority Report?
As much as I follow developments in AI as well as adaptation, and policy, I'm surprised I missed the initiative you speak of.
I suspect that forming a private club that creates a class system for art and then makes some art wear a pink triangle and some art wear a star and some art etc. isn't going to fly.
This is incredibly problematic.

Anyway, how do I make the BS go away?
Because that is what it is.
Some dumbass will LOVE my image. It will remind them of grandma making cinnamin buns and they will feel all warm and fuzzy, until they find out AI might have been used. Then they will become irate and their grandma will turn in her grave and I will lose my contract.. All because Adobe decided to be Content police and ERRANTLY tag my art to say it was made with generative AI.

Trevor.Dennis

Community Expert

I used the generative tool while working in the project because it is new, it is neat, and if it gave me results I liked, I'd have kept it.
But I did not like the results. They looked like utter crap and I could not figure out how to upscale the oddly granular and blurry creations of grass. I also attempted making a boulder to see if it worked in my image. It did not.

By @Hunter Wade

Which takes us off in another direction, that being Generative Credits. You hit the button and are presented with three image inserts that are a) not what you want, b) utter crap as Hunter described it, but you have just spent used a credit regardless of whether you use it or not. Plus it seems you are tagged with using Ai in your image whether you keep the generated content or reject it.

Regarding Content Credentials being tamper proof, what if you grabbed screen shots and pasted them to a new document? Would the Content Credentials be transferred?

D Fosse

Community Expert

That I don't know. Maybe it works like banknote blocking, where it inserts a hidden pattern in the pixels?

By @D Fosse

Resampling would destroy this pixel data. I believe that it's metadata, however, there is some binary data in there which I haven't yet inspected.

Yes, but at 2000 x 2000 pixels there isn't much room for resampling. But wouldn't it be great if it could immediately tell which parts of the image was AI?

<NYT editor: Put on your red and blue goggles, ladies and gentlemen, let's take a look at what we have here>

😄

D Fosse

Community Expert

THERE IS NO GENERATIVE AI in MY IMAGE.

I need first to be clear that even if there were, Adobe has no business force tagging creations I have made with the tools I pay for with information I do not want included.

By @Hunter Wade

First of all, just to establish the background, Content Credentials is a global initiative to verify the authenticity of images. Adobe is only one partner in this, along with organizations like the New York Times, the BBC and so on. Just to let you know that this is not Adobe's invention.

I'm sure you can appreciate that in todays world, establishing the provenance and autheticity of images is crucial. You probably also realize that AI generated images can not be copyrighted.

As part of this, any content made by AI is tagged this way. It is done automatically, and is tamper proof.

That said - if you can document that images are tagged in error, by listing the exact steps you used, I'm sure the engineers will be happy to take a look. This is new technology and bugs and errors are inevitable.

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