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Zott!!!
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July 3, 2025
Question

Generative expand goes crazy on the beach

  • July 3, 2025
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Hi to all!
My name is antonio and i'm a journalist adn photographer working in the fashion and beauty area.

In this part of the year and a bit before i work a lot on the beach to realize advert campaign for beachwaer brands and editorial to be published on magazines.

My problem is that when i try to use generative expand every, every, every time there is a model wearing a swimsuite in the frame i can only get the orange dialog the read: pleae check guidelines for the use of this service (something about this, ok)

This is a nightmare, i cannot use to work this feature of PS that could help me a  lot; for example when i'm shooting from inside the sea walking in to the water i cannot change lens to my camera to avoid to drown it (tipicaly a pair camera plus lens worth abot 8000-9000 euros )  but when i try to expand the picture... the stop message get up.

Please how can avoid this ? 

4 replies

c.pfaffenbichler
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July 3, 2025

I wonder, though, whether Generative Expand can even be useful for your hires images. 

The Firefly limitations seem to apply, so aren’t the expanded areas of a terrible resolution (albeit upsampled)? 

Trevor.Dennis
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July 3, 2025

That's a good point Christophe.  If the OP needed to break that down into < 1024 pixel chunks, then that is going to take at least 15 seconds a time.  That's got to add up to a serious delay with full res images.  I am not sure where @Zott!!! got the three minute estimate from.  The human input would be 30 seconds tops IME, so with a decent connection...   There is no OS tag for the original post, but if @Zott!!! is using a Mac, I wonder if you could work on two Photoshop versions simultaniously, and swap between them while the other is waiting for the Adobe server to to its thing?  I have never tried that, but it would an interesting experiment.

Zott!!!
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July 10, 2025

Dear  @Trevor.Dennis , yes, i'm working on a mac and my connection speed id 10GB in download and 2GB in upload

my 3 minutes estimated time is about masking the subject finding the most adapt mask above all when some part of the body need to be generated using trial and error way based on my experience using this method

Trevor.Dennis
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July 3, 2025

You have to copy the layer and turn off the original.

Remove just the model from the frame.  That's not with a layer mask, the model needs to be gone.  You can probably even fill the area taken by the model with a solid colour, but Content Aware Fill would be safer.

Then make the selection and use Generative Fill and copy the model back in.

 

So:

Original

 

Object Selection Tool > People > Entire Person > Apply

 

Expand selection, and Content Aware Fill. I'm sure you knew all this

 

Select and add prompt.  I wonder what we'll get

 

Turn the copy of the model back on and move to top of stack, and you've beaten the Adobe censor.

I'm sure you knew all that and were letting Adone know how annoying the censorship is for a working photographer, but they are not going to relax their position while Ai continues to get continuous bad press.   It took just a few seconds to do the workaround, and the model was returned to the scene entirely seamlessly.  

Trevor.Dennis
Community Expert
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July 3, 2025

BTW  I was kind of taking the mick out of the Gen Fill algorithm by including the term 'handsome man' in my Gen Fill prompt.  Is that reverse sexism?  Should we be writing letters of complaint at the irony of it?  

c.pfaffenbichler
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July 3, 2025

Please post at least one sample image, because talking about images one cannot see or test is obviously problematic. 

 

Have you tried adding a Layer and blacking out the person on that Layer before expanding? (And removing the Layer afterwards.) 

Zott!!!
Zott!!!Author
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July 3, 2025

Here you can see a screen capture of a sample using not a bikini but a more wide full body swimsuite

 

http://wtrmagazine.it/expandsample.mp4

 

Thanks!

 

Stephen Marsh
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July 10, 2025

Thansk for the advice.

To be more clear (i hope) my request is about a way to avoid problems that is not a workaround because as i told i work with images and i can't spend the time to use a workaround when i need to postproduce 200-300 images at one time...


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To be more clear (i hope) my request is about a way to avoid problems

 

The problem is the generative algorithm incorrectly identifying your content as breaching the service terms. So it would therefore seem that the answer is to provide "different content" (more below) and or for Adobe to refine the algorithm so that false positives are not flagged. 

 

 

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that is not a workaround because as i told i work with images and i can't spend the time to use a workaround when i need to postproduce 200-300 images at one time...

 

This is the common reply, which makes no sense.

 

Before generative fill, such work would have taken minutes or hours with content aware filll, some other "in-painting" algorithm and/or manual retouching.

 

The suggested workaround takes seconds.

 

You may not be able to provide "different content" as in a different picture, but the workaround is just to quickly alter the current content in order for it to not be flagged as inappropriate, then to remove the alteration afterwards. The workaround is faster than the generative fill! There is no disagreement that it's not ideal to have to use a workaround, however, people are complaining about extra seconds, conveniently overlooking that the alternative could take minutes or hours.

Stephen Marsh
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July 3, 2025

YMMV. I just downloaded various bikini girl beach scenes and had no issues whatsover, while many others like yourself have guidelines issues/false positives. The reason why I wanted to test but couldn't trigger a guideline warning, was that it has been reported that simply adding a coloured rectangle to cover the "offending" model on a new layer is enough to circumvent the guideline balking.

c.pfaffenbichler
Community Expert
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July 3, 2025

Beat me by that much! (2 seconds) 

Stephen Marsh
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July 3, 2025
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Beat me by that much! (2 seconds) 


By @c.pfaffenbichler


I obviously didn't spend as much time downloading those swimsuit shots as I should have! 😂