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chelseac29891942
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April 14, 2019
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Help with CMYK Blacks

  • April 14, 2019
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Hey all, I'm just finishing up a set of illustrations and I'm very frustrated with figuring out how to achieve the best black in Photoshop. I have been working in CMYK the whole time because these images will be printed. I understand CMKY dulls the colors quite a bit. The black looks fine in Photoshop (I have tried out a mixture of sliders and now I'm using C=75, M=68, Y=67, B=90.) Any combination I use still ends up looking bad when I save as a PDF in the end. I know printers are capable of printing the black I'm working with, it's just my PDF looks very dull in comparison to what I want. I'm very close to the deadline for this project and need to send PDFs to a printing company first thing Monday morning. I'm worried if I send the grayed PDFs, they will look like that in print. I have attached two images, one is a CMYK jpeg with dulled out colors, and another is an RGB jpeg with the black I want (but I do not like the paper color in this one). There is no way for me to contact the printing company and ask them for help, so I was wondering if someone could help me here. Is there a way for me to save a CMYK PDF with that nice black? Or do I have to send the grayish one and risk the print looking dulled out in the end?

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Correct answer Stephen Marsh

What software are you viewing the CMYK PDF in? Does it have an embedded CMYK profile? This is probably due to colour management.

That being said, your rich black is weak. This is not a photo, the illustration would be better with 100% K value than 90% K. I would use a selective colour edit to bump up the K value of blacks and slightly reduce the CMY values so that you still maintain the 300% total ink limit. You will need to darken the black channel using a curve as the selective colour move can’t make it any darker than 99%.

These two edits can be recorded into an action for use with multiple images.

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rob day
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rob dayCommunity Expert
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April 14, 2019

Also, Stephens’s method works in this case because there’s no black in the yellow background that is affected by the selective color.

The profile you use to make the conversion determines how the black plate is generated as well as the total ink amount. SWOP limits black to 90% and compensates by adding CMY.

Is your printer asking for US Web SWOP? Are they are printing on a web press? For example GRACol Coated doesn’t have the 90% K conversion limit:

Stephen Marsh
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Stephen MarshCommunity Expert
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April 15, 2019

The main reason I went with a selective colour:black and curve:black edit was that I was presuming final flattened files. If working on a layered file and the background black panel was isolated as a layer or solid fill adjustment layer then one could just edit the isolated black directly.

Also, Stephens’s method works in this case because there’s no black in the yellow background that is affected by the selective color.

Rob, as I used the “black” colour of selective colour as a targeted colour for adjustment, it should not affect any black component of a “yellow” hue anyway.

Here I adjusted the original image to have a black component in the yellow hues, however the selective colour:black adjustment does not affect the yellow hues black channel component.

It is easy enough to add blend-if sliders or layer masks to limit where an adjustment is applied if required.

rob day
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rob dayCommunity Expert
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April 15, 2019

I only brought up the profile’s black ink limit because the OP is converting to the default US Web SWOP, which often (but not always) means the actual press profile is not really known. If the destination is a sheetfed press there might not be a 300% limit and a profile like GRACol or Fogra would produce a somewhat denser black point, with no black ink limit.

Also, it seems like the OP was judging the "blackness" of the PDF black via Apple‘s Preview, which probably doesn’t give a reliable soft proof.

Stephen Marsh
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April 14, 2019

What software are you viewing the CMYK PDF in? Does it have an embedded CMYK profile? This is probably due to colour management.

That being said, your rich black is weak. This is not a photo, the illustration would be better with 100% K value than 90% K. I would use a selective colour edit to bump up the K value of blacks and slightly reduce the CMY values so that you still maintain the 300% total ink limit. You will need to darken the black channel using a curve as the selective colour move can’t make it any darker than 99%.

These two edits can be recorded into an action for use with multiple images.

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chelseac29891942Author
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April 14, 2019

Thank you for the much needed help! I made a few slight adjustments to my blacks. I do think part of my problem is that the PDF looks dull when I view it on preview (I'm also using a relatively old Mac laptop). When I drag the PDF back into Photoshop and InDesign, the richness of the colors are restored. I know the printing company will be using InDesign to set up my files, and my CMYK colors look fine when the PDF is placed within the program.

Once again, thank you!

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April 14, 2019

Preview, the Mac app? This has very poor CMYK viewing, so don't trust it for anything. Use Acrobat Pro's Output Preview, choosing the CMYK profile your printer has supplied.

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