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louisjung3
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May 23, 2019
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How do I merge a spot channel into rgb or cmyk while preserving the color?

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I set my spot channel at r 255 g 0 b 0 and when I merge my spot channel, the color comes out as r 231 g 31 b 25. Is there a way to merge them without changing the color?

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c.pfaffenbichler
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 23, 2019

louisjung3, is the file actually RGB?

Please set the Status Bar to »Document Profile« and post more meaningful screenshots with the pertinent Panels (Layers, Channels, Options Bar, …) visible.

Yes I remember Hexachrome too. It failed because customers weren't prepared to pay the extra for six colours;

Quite frankly I took a dislike to the process back then because it could at the time not the implemented in Photoshop, Indesign and Illustrator in what I would have considered a convenient way. Also it was problematic in proofing If I remember correctly.

Norman Sanders
Legend
May 23, 2019

c.pfaffenbichler​ Although we did a fair amount of six-color work at that time, we used spot colors in the image -- which, in this area, were referred to as "touch plates" or "kickers" created from modified versions of the separations in the four-color set. I agree, budget constraints were a limiting factor because in addition to prep and press in those pre-Photoshop days "proof" often meant "press proof", too.

Derek Cross
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 23, 2019

Bright greens (and bright oranges) can’t be reproduced in CMYK, here's roughly the equivalent.

Norman Sanders
Legend
May 23, 2019

Derek, the orange and green you referred to reminded me of years gone by when Pantone came up with Hexichrome, a six-color process system that added those to colors to the CMYK set.  I just checked Wikipedia and, sure enough, it showed up there and I thought it would interest you and some of our cllreagues. To quote from the site:

"Hexachrome is a discontinued six-color printing process designed by Pantone Inc. In addition to custom CMYK inks, Hexachrome uses orange and green inks to expand the color gamut for better color reproduction. It is therefore also known as a CMYKOG process.

Hexachrome was discontinued by Pantone in 2008 when Adobe Systems stopped supporting the HexWare plugin software. While the details of Hexachrome were not secret, its use was limited by trademark and patent to those obtaining a license from Pantone. The inventor of Hexachrome is Richard Herbert, who is also the president of Pantone Inc.[1]"...

I was still actively involved with offset litho at that time and as I recall, the G in the set ran at the M angle (where there would be no M) and the O was placed at the C halftone angle (where there would  be no C) to deal with moire potential. So much for the old days.

Derek Cross
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 23, 2019

Yes I remember Hexachrome too. It failed because customers weren't prepared to pay the extra for six colours; they thought the increase in colour quality wasn't worth paying for. No doubt people with very specific needs, such as those selling clothes online, might have preferred it.

Stephen Marsh
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 23, 2019

255r/0g/0b is a value.

I have not tested, however, I presume that it is based on the colour profile of your working RGB space when it is selected as a colour picker value for a spot colour channel... Otherwise, it would be the document RGB colour profile.

Either way it sounds like the source RGB colour (the colour value combined with the ICC profile that describes the colour of the value) different than the destination, which is why it is being colour managed to different values to hopefully maintain the original colour appearance.