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How to turn off all colour management?

  • October 10, 2010
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I need to have Photoshop show me an image without any colour management at all.

However, no matter what settings I try the image in Photoshop always looks different to the same image opened in a program that is not ICC complient.

This is causing me serious problems.

What do I need to do to turn off all ICC management?

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    Correct answer Noel Carboni

    The quickest way is to choose View - Proof Setup in Photoshop and just select Monitor RGB.  When View - Proof Colors is selected, you will see unaltered data, as Photoshop is being told that the image should be viewed as though its profile is the same as the monitor's profile.

    However, it is not difficult to get Photoshop to send unaltered values from an sRGB document to your display without using Proof viewing.  My system is set up this way as I have my video card tables and monitors set up to accurately show sRGB.

    Here's how:

    1.  Start the Windows 7 control panel Color Management function, Devices tab, and uncheck [ ] Use my settings for this device.

    2.  In the Advanced tab, ensure that Windows Color System Defaults is System default (sRGB IEC61966-2.1).

    Voila, Photoshop considers the monitor as having the sRGB profile, and you'll see the exact same color values from an sRGB image as from a non-color-managed application.

    Photoshop will also display colors from documents with other profiles correctly, as they are transformed to sRGB for display.

    FYI, I have the ATI Catalyst display manager load my video card color settings at startup.

    Hope this helps.

    -Noel


    By the way, note that Photoshop must be shut down and restarted after a monitor profile change is made, or what you'll see in a View - Proof Colors display will no longer be accurate.  Photoshop apparently doesn't reload the monitor profile at the time that choice is made.

    -Noel

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    Participating Frequently
    October 11, 2010

    What happens when you generate an ICC profile from your "high end" calibration, and then use that profile - as your RGB working space. That would be the easiest way to effectively send RGB directly to the screen without any outside intervention.

    Inspiring
    October 11, 2010

    Andrew Rodney (wrote here previously):

    since PS5, the architecture has been such that Photoshop always makes some assumption about the numbers for previewing and conversions using ICC profiles. You can try and turn it off but it's always looking for a display profile for previews along with an embedded profile in a document. Even if you strip out the profile, Photoshop is still going to make an (assumption) about the numbers, again based on some ICC profile.

    In any case, I would pay very close attention to what Chris Cox added until you completely understand what he is saying.

    But I am curious, how you are running Photoshop with no monitor profile selected in Photoshop?

    What profile is listed under "Monitor RGB" in Photoshop> Color Settings> Working Spaces> RGB? (click on the RGB and you should see the drop menu as pictured here):

    Whatever Photoshop is using for Monitor RGB is the profile Photoshop is Applying/Assigning/Assuming to your file (for all practical purposes) when you don't color manage your file.

    Monitor RGB profile there also is the profile Photoshop displays through (ie, Source Profile to Monitor Profile).

    This is the same profile Photoshop Applies/Assumes/Assigns when you View> Proof Setup: Monitor RGB

    Inspiring
    October 11, 2010

    I believe the key here is to understand what monitor profile your target app defaults to, and in Photoshop: Edit> Convert to (target) Profile.

    With a good monitor profile, in Photoshop, Soft Proof it by View> Proof Set Up> Custom> Device to Simulate: Target icc profile

    PS:

    I should add, I am not recommending to set Monitor RGB as Working RGB in my above screen shot — I am only pointing out how to verify what monitor profile Photoshop is using.

    Participating Frequently
    October 10, 2010

    Well, it would probably help if you could explain a little more in detail what you are doing and why you want to turn CM off.  It would also help if you would verify what version of PS you are using.

    One of the challenges you are going to face is that it really isn't possible to turn off color management completely in recent versions of Photoshop.  There are always SOME assumptions being made.  Here are some comments from Andrew Rodney on the issue:

    http://www.gballard.net/psd/psdcm4678cs.html

    Now if what you are trying to do is produce images that will look OK for the largest audience (that means including people who are using non-color-managed applications and browsers), here is what I would recommend:

    - Use sRGB as your RGB working space in Photoshop.

    - Put "Convert to Working RGB" in the RGB Color Management Policy.

    -  When you save the image, you can save with or without an embedded profile.  It's your choice.  Most common applications and browsers will assume sRGB or something reasonably close if there is no embedded profile.  I normally save WITH embedded profiles since it makes the colospace clear to everyone, including myself, and it also helps Safari users a little.

    Now the other component is your monitor profile, the thing that adjusts the viewing on YOUR monitor so that it produces results close to a standard.  I don't know if in your case you are using a custom monitor profile (produced from a calibrator/profiler like Huey, Spyder, Eye One, etc.) or perhaps a display profile from the manufacturer (Dell2408WFP, for example) or maybe a standard colorspace profile like sRGB.  It might be helpful if you would tell us which and also mention what operating system (Windows 7, Apple Snow Leopard, etc.).

    Anyway, Photoshop will be using that monitor profile automatically (its use is different from the RGB working space in Color Settings).  If it is standard colorspace like sRGB or a manufacturer's display profile, it is likely that Photoshop will match the image in a non-color-managed application or come relatively close.  If you are using a custom monitor profile, then you may see significant differences.  If you don't like those differences you can:

    - Stop using your custom monitor profile and try a manufacturer's o sRGB profile for your monitor profile (changed in your operating system, not PS).

    - Use View>Proof Setup>Monitor RGB (or Internet Standard, I always forget which) to view a temporary version that is without the monitor profile.

    - Start using color-managed applications like Firefox or Safari.

    Note that using a custom monitor profile is NOT a bad thing.  What it allows you to do is make corrections for deviations from the standard that your monitor may need.  When creating an image in the common sRGB colorspace, for example, using a custom monitor profile whill help you produce an image as correctly as possible to that sRGB standard.

    Also if it wasn't clear already, there is no such thing as "no colorspace".  The closest thing to a "no colorspace"/"no profile"/"no complications" standard today is sRGB.  There is a point beyond which you can't worry about how everyone else is going to see your images.  You have no control over how they adjust their monitors, what applications they use, and whether or not they know the first thing about color management.  All you can do is produce your images as close as possible to an industry standard (my recommendation is sRGB for normal web use) and meet them half way.

    Hope that helps.

    ShawClanAuthor
    Participating Frequently
    October 10, 2010

    Hi Dennis,

    As it happens I do a lot of high-end colour management for DI workflows.

    Check out www.lightillusion.com

    The problem is that I have a display that is fully calibrated to a very

    accurate level using a 3D LUT in external hardware.

    I have no display profile active obviously as I'm using external

    calibration.

    What I need is to use Photoshop with NO additional colour management.

    I am using the latest CS5.

    Using any colour management at all will be inaccurate for what I require.

    I can generate ICC profiles that are accurate to the 3D LUT I am using via

    SpaceMan ICC - so use the ICC rather than the 3D LUT in the external

    hardware, but I don't always want to do that.

    I have to say the colour management in Photoshop really is proving to be a

    major pain!

    ShawClanAuthor
    Participating Frequently
    October 11, 2010


    I'm not looking for any feedback on my company's software - that is not the

    reason for the questions.

    But, the software is a Colour Management Solution - so is not intended to

    work with anything else. The bit of info missing is there are two software

    solutions LightSpace and SpaceMan - but they are very focused on DI

    applications.

    LightSpace is a very advanced CMS system for 3D LUT generation.

    SpaceMan is a tool for generating ICC profiles from 3D LUTs.

    It's also fair to say that if you don't understand the term DI you are not

    in the same market - which is not a problem, but does explain some of the

    responses I have received for this forum - again, not a problem, just makes

    sense. Our market is very specific - the colour grading of feature films.

    And as a colourist I have graded a lot of films.

    I have now managed to do as I require, so all is good. Thanks to all those

    that provide help.

    Just a real pain that it's so damn difficult :o(

    The market I work within in very different to the one Photoshop is really

    intended form but it is used at times, and I have been asked by many

    customers to find a way to make it work within normal DI workflows.

    I think I have that now - with some serious hoop jumping required.

    Thanks again,

    Steve