How to use photoshop on 4K monitor? the scale of interface is too small...

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Geting started with Photoshop cc on 4K monitor faced with problem of scale of interfece-its too small. How to adjust it to that resolution 3200x1800? Thanks in  advance.

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Adobe Community Professional , Feb 11, 2015 Feb 11, 2015

Preferences > Experimental features > Scale UI 200%.......

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 09, 2017 Jan 09, 2017

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JJ, with all respect, you're missing the point and obscuring the issue.

Displays with 3860 x 2160 pixels is a new display technology, previously unheard of. No, don't argue. There may have been esoteric specialist models here and there, but it didn't become mainstream until a couple of years ago, around the first CC incarnation. That's when Apple released the first retina models.

Five years ago, it was not on the agenda, and that's why Photoshop CS4-5-6 has no support for it. There was absolutely no need and no demand.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 09, 2017 Jan 09, 2017

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The Issue is resolution not the number of pixels. Too many users like you confuse number of pixels with resolution because of the way displays are marketed.  It the resolution that is the problem not the number of pixel. All 4K displays display the same number of pixels. Users have no visual prolem when they use large 4K Displays. When a 4K display's size drops below 30" is when the displays resolution become a problem. Laptop have small displays.

283DPI 16:9  3840x2160 15.6" Wacom Mobile studio 16" Wacom  $2999.99

185DPI 16:9  3840x2160 24"   Dell 4K P2415Q IPS      Amazon $ 380.00         

163DPI 16:9  3840x2160 27"   Dell 4K P2715Q IPS      Amazon $ 480.00

159DPI 16:9  3840x2160 28"   Dell 4K S2817Q Not IPS  Amazon $ 430.00

140DPI 16:9  3840x2160 32"   Dell 4K P3216Q IPS      Amazon $1263.00

104DPI 16:9  3840x2160 43"   Dell 4K P4317Q IPS      Amazon $1200.00

A surface Pro 3 12" Display has 2160x1440 pixels has a resolution of 216 DPI and that is a Problem and Adobe will Scale that display 2X and that is also a problem for  scaled 2X the display becomes a 1080x720 pixel display for Photoshop's UI which requires a display at lease 1024x768.   Photoshop UI does not fit on a Surface Pro 3 display scaled 2X.

Adobe's Photoshop 2X scaling has several problems.  System Dialogs like file open and file save will not be scaled because of Photoshop manifest is coded so the OS will not scale what the application displays so system dialog will not be scaled.  All displayed will be scaled not just High Resolution displays when Photoshop preference is set to scale 200%. When you have different resolution on you system this is a big problem.  High resolution displays on machines like the surface pro 1 will be scaled to 960x540px Photoshop UI will not fit.

I use a 185DPI 16:9  3840x2160 24"   Dell 4K P2415Q IPS  I do not scale it 2X because my two other displays have a 100DPI resolution.  I only have Photoshop display Image windows on the 185DPI 16:9  3840x2160 24"   Dell 4K P2415Q IPS  so the only Photoshop UI elements on that displays is Photoshop info in the image frames.

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Photoshop and Bridge screen capture.

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New Here ,
Jan 09, 2017 Jan 09, 2017

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Obsolete Software that works, and had a price of $2,599.000 is not obsolete. B.T.W. it is software. Not Cloudware or Rapeware, which they are pushing now that costs 600.00 a year. Adobe policies are much more extreme than the others are. Pulling software updates they released years ago off their FTP site for older versions of the Creative Suites so if forces those older customers to upgrade to CC is extreme, when the need to do a reinstall of their older software on a new machine after deactivating their current license properly from their old machine, occurs. Blocking internet updating of this older software with these older released updates, so that manual updating is the only option after a needed reinstall, is extreme.  If the new software’s features are so tempting, the reason for upgrading does not need coercion, and it would make sense to move forward. But, the fact is, there is very little change from CS4 to CC in new features that are usable and productive and the interfaces on these newer versions are harder to use than the older versions. Why would you upgrade to something that is not useful or productive. It makes more sense to have happy customers that tout your software than to piss them off so they never come back. Oh, they do not really want repeat loyal customers, right. The point is not 4K, the point is making a product that is more useful, so you can be more productive, not to put more money in the Adobe’s salary profit account. Finally, when the rez of a monitor is 2160 or higher on the low end, the OS or the program should detect this and allow individual application scaling not global scaling. But, we all know this will never happen

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 09, 2017 Jan 09, 2017

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lawrencer49195287 wrote:

Obsolete Software that works, and had a price of $2,599.000 is not obsolete.

You're also missing the point. Old software versions are not updated. The current version is updated. This is true for all software vendors, everywhere.

JJ, you don't need to explain to me the relationship between pixels and screen size.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 09, 2017 Jan 09, 2017

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I suppose I could refuse to buy from Sony because they won't upgrade my $450 Color TV set to work with the new Digital signals, or Ford, because they won't adapt my old air conditioner because Freon was banned.

Adobe delivered what was promised when you paid for it. When a new edition comes up, you are free to stay with the old, but they are not obligated to adapt it to new hardware and operating systems. That's what the new models are for.

You would go crazy around Steve Jobs. He switched the Mac CPUs from Motorola to Intel, orphaning a lot of PPC software including CS2.

Gene

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LEGEND ,
Jan 09, 2017 Jan 09, 2017

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I do not know where you coming from or what point your are trying to make.  Adobe customers that bought Adobe licence to use there software can still download and use software the date back to CS2. From the web.  I have not used Adobe FTP site in years. CS2 was released in 2005 a dozen year ago. No one that I take stock in has stated that old Adobe software is obsolete.    Adobe Program support is historically is very poor. Adobe drops support for old version of their application as soon as they release the next version. Therefore last, year release is not supported.  Adobe does not fix all reported bugs.  You do not use Adobe software because of their good support.  Adobe program support as far as I know has never been good.

Adobe never updates old software never. However the did make a new download for CS2 so it could be install without Adobe old activation servers.

I do not feel  for users that  use complex software that is over 12 years old.  I would say that software is most likely obsolete. Hardware is an other story.  I still drive a 1990 300ZX but not all the time.

I do no know anything about Mac Display scaling.  However, It Is possible to modify windows register  to enable the use external manifest file  with programs and add an external manifest file for Photoshop so you can use Windows Display scaling for old version of Photoshop.  To deal with high resolution displays. Not all 4K display are high resolution displays.  4K displays display 3840px by 2160px. Using Window scaling you can have windows scale each of you displays to some lower resolution(s) with a display by display scale setting.  Scaling can be any lower resolution.

Adobe Photoshop CC  UI scaling will scale all of you displays either 100% native or 200% half resolution.  There are several issues with Adobe UI scaling.  I do not expect Adobe to address them.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 09, 2017 Jan 09, 2017

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The Retina display, Apple's own branded HiDpi, was introduced in the Macbook Pro in 2012. Photoshop's Mac version introduced Retina capability with CS6 update 13.0.6 in 2013.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 09, 2017 Jan 09, 2017

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IBM martketed a 16:10 4k Display in 2001 with a 204DPI  3840x2400ps 22.2"  later is was dropped so what. Its the High Resolution that is the problem.

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New Here ,
Jan 10, 2017 Jan 10, 2017

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"I do not know where you coming from or what point your are trying to make.  Adobe customers that bought Adobe licence to use there software can still download and use software the date back to CS2. From the web."

You did not spell license correctly, and this statement is totally untrue, as I have done many re-installs, with deactivation of the current licenses, and the built-in web up-daters no longer work, They Updater, after reinstalling clean, says there are no updates available or will not connect to the Adobe update server, even with an exception added, to the Windows Firewall, for the Adobe Updater. I have a backups of all of the incremental updates Adobe pulled from their FTP for CS4 and CS6 just in case I have to move to a new machine. I build machines for myself, both Mac and PC, and I am totally familiar with the 200% experimental feature, which is not a fix. Acrobat does not have the scaling problem, only the rest of the Creative Suite. BTW none of the products Adobe has, displays properly in Windows 10 other than the Reader and Elements. They are all have grainy windows and the fonts in all the windows are not crisp. This grainy window display problem I have observed on 1920 x 1200, 2560 x 1440 and 3840 x 2160. You can comment in disbelief, but it does not changes the facts. Maybe you need to get your glasses upgraded. My point is, if I had another option, I would use it.

Some updates are available here, but nothing for CS6, and as I said, the built-in updater no longer works. Adobe - Creative Suite : For Windows  Also, once you do get it updated, to the proper version, the Adobe Updater, updates itself, to the CC version, and attempts to push CC versions of their applications down your throat.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 10, 2017 Jan 10, 2017

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Hers are the links I user for downloading Updates. Yes I can not spell or type

Adobe - Photoshop : For Windows

Adobe - Photoshop : For Macintosh

Downloads for Photoshop versions links

Download Adobe Creative Suite 3 products

Download Adobe Creative Suite 4 (CS4) products

Download Adobe Creative Suite 5 products

Download Adobe Creative Suite 5.5 products

Download Adobe Creative Suite 6 applications

Creative cloud versions can also be downloaded.

I use windows and if I need to I can install mod to windows and Photoshop to use windows scalling with Photoshop on High Resolution displays.

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New Here ,
Jan 10, 2017 Jan 10, 2017

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This is a link for the complete application suite without current updates.

Download Adobe Creative Suite 6 applications

As I said the updates as stand alone do not exist anymore!

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 10, 2017 Jan 10, 2017

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JJMack gave you the links to the updates -

Adobe - Photoshop : For Windows

Adobe - Photoshop : For Macintosh

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LEGEND ,
Jan 11, 2017 Jan 11, 2017

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In the latest Windows 10 Preview build 15002 Microsoft enhanced their Display scaling.  You can now use Windows scaling with Application Like Photoshop if you want to. So you  will  not be stuck with Adobe UI 2X scaling.  You can scale to any lower resolution l 1.25x 1.5xx 2X etc.  You can set that up in the shortcut that you  use to start Photoshop using the comparability Tab  Override high DPI scaling behavior you will not longer have to modify Your Windows registry and add external manifest file for Photoshop.

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New Here ,
Jun 08, 2018 Jun 08, 2018

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FYI in much of the English speaking world licence is the noun and license is the verb, same for defence and defense and others.

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Explorer ,
Jan 30, 2017 Jan 30, 2017

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Hi, This option is no longer there in Photoshop CC 2017Screenshot-4k.jpg

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Explorer ,
Jan 30, 2017 Jan 30, 2017

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Ill keep googling for results

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Jan 30, 2017 Jan 30, 2017

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It should be under the Interface category.

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Explorer ,
Jan 30, 2017 Jan 30, 2017

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Thanks for the help Gene.

OK I changed the scaling to 200% and I see the difference. I wished that it would be the 150% recommended by Windows Display Options.

I dont see any changes when I change the UI text size option.

Still the menu items look ok, but the drop down menus and the Document Explorer "finder" are super tini. I dont understand why all programs behave different. Animate and Indesign are fine but Photoshop and Illustrator have very small Windows menus and File Finder boxes are very small.

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New Here ,
Mar 02, 2017 Mar 02, 2017

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It's great that Photopshop has 100% and 200% zoom options, however Windows 10 recommends 150% zoom on a 4k monitor:

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It would be really great if 150% zoom was supported by Photoshop too. I'd love to be able to use PS on my Windows machine but this limitation makes it much more practical for me to use the Mac where everything scales perfectly.

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LEGEND ,
Mar 02, 2017 Mar 02, 2017

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You have two choices. 

1.) Update you windows registry to allow the use of External Program Manifest files and add a external manifest file for Photoshop in Photoshop folder to override Adobe internal manifest so Photoshop  will use Windows scaling.

2.) Install Windows 10 Preview (no recommended) and use the new option in Photoshop  desktop startup Icon Properties to use the new option to over the program and use windows scaling.

Both of these have been posted in this thread it you want the details.

JJMack

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