New Reflection Tool

[Jay Amundson]

Unable to use reflection tool in PS on a NEF file imported from LR. The tool is greayed out. Am I missing something?

[CShubert]

Hi @Jay Amundson please share your workflow steps so the team can try to reproduce here.

Thanks,

Cory - Photoshop Product Manager

[Jay Amundson]

Good morning,

I opened an NEF file in LR. From there I right clicked on the photo and went to “Edit in” > “Edit in Photoshop 2925… After PS opened, I went to Filter> Camera Raw Filter. I then clicked on The “Remove” tool and got the Screen Shot below.

You will notice the triangle in the Distraction Removal panel. Also, “Reflections” is grayed out.

I’m using MAC15.2 (24C101). Latest version out.

Thank you for your help,

Jay Amundson

[Trevor.Dennis]

I don't think it works that way.  It only works in Camera RAW, and NOT the Camera RAW filter.

I don't use Lightroom, so I don't know how the edits you made in Lightroom would be passed to Photoshop if you Open the NEF file directly, but give it a go and see if the sliders reflect the LR changes.

My guess is that ACR will see the sidecar file (I am assuming that LR creates a sidecar file .XMP) so you should be OK.  

Have you enabled New Ai features in Camera RAW Preferences?

[LAMY2017]

There's your problem right there, Jay -- Photoshop 2925 won't be released for 900 years!

I'm a bit shocked that one can't get to the Reflections checkbox through Ps>Filter>Camera Raw Filter, even though the window that opens reads Camera Raw 17.1 just like it does when opening a NEF through Bridge!

Removing window reflections in Adobe Camera Raw

How should you use this feature?

For now, our technology works only on raw photos (DNGs, CR2s, ARWs, ProRAWs, etc.) To try it on your own images, open the Camera Raw plug-in and go to the Technology Previews section of the Preferences Panel. Then enable the New AI Settings and Features Panel and restart the host application (Adobe Photoshop or Adobe Bridge).

[Conrad_C]

I'm a bit shocked that one can't get to the Reflections checkbox through Ps>Filter>Camera Raw Filter, even though the window that opens reads Camera Raw 17.1 just like it does when opening a NEF through Bridge!

By @LAMY2017

It’s not shocking, and not new…it’s completely consistent with how Camera Raw and Photoshop have always worked:

• Features requiring raw data never work through Filter > Camera Raw Filter, and they never have. 
• If you want to use a feature requiring raw data, in Photoshop use the Open command to open the raw file directly into Camera Raw (the import plug-in, not the filter). This way is the same as what happens when you open from Bridge: Camera Raw is working as a true raw processor, not just a Photoshop layer filter.

The first method does not match Bridge, because the Camera Raw Filter is not and never has been the full raw-capable version of Camera Raw. For example, you can crop and AI denoise in full Camera Raw, but you will never see crop and AI denoise in Camera Raw Filter, even if the layer is a raw Smart Object.

The difference between Camera Raw and Camera Raw Filter is extremely important if you want to understand how things work.

[Trevor.Dennis]

I'm a bit shocked that one can't get to the Reflections checkbox through Ps>Filter>Camera Raw 

By @LAMY2017

You do realise that they are not the same?  ACR has the full RAW file to work on with its greater bit depth.  The Camera RAW filter doesn't have the RAW file to work with.   If you chose to open an image as an Object from ACR, then you can double click the background layer to go back into ACR and work on the RAW file.   These are completely different functions.

[LAMY2017]

"You do realise that they are not the same?"

No, I did not. Circumstantial evidence would lead anyone to assume they were the same despite what appears to be minor cosmetic differences when looking at the two interfaces. Thank you for schooling me.

(circumstantial evidence/misleading by Adobe: Lr->Ps, header reads filename.NEF)

[Conrad_C]

It sounds like you’re asking about not a Reflection tool, but maybe the new reflection removal option that is a technology preview in Adobe Camera Raw? If so, then this question might be better asked in the existing thread about that feature.

If the feature is grayed out, and you are using a supported format (it looks like you are), the problem is usually because of these possible causes:

• The file is no longer raw because Lightroom Classic sent it to Photoshop as a rendered document (as it normally does), and because it’s no longer raw the feature won’t work (at this time, they might change that). 
• The file is still raw in Photoshop (a Photoshop Smart Object), but you’re using the Camera Raw Filter instead of editing the actual raw contents.

One way to test this feature is to forget about Photoshop and use Bridge to open the raw file directly into Camera Raw.

Or, if you need to try it in Photoshop, use the Open command so that it first opens into Camera Raw.

Through either of those two methods, the reflection removal option should be available.

Or, if you must start from Lightroom Classic, use these steps which will keep it raw in Photoshop and make reflection removal available:

1. From Lightroom Classic, choose Photo > Edit In > Open as Smart Object in Photoshop. (It has to be that command…if instead you choose Photo > Edit In > Open in Adobe Photoshop, that will not preserve the raw data in Photoshop.) 

2. In the Photoshop document that is created, double-click that raw Smart Object layer. (That’s a shortcut for the correct command, Layer > Smart Objects > Edit Contents. Do not use Filter > Camera Raw Filter.) 

[Jay Amundson]

Good morning,

I tried it and it worked. The probem is the photo came out like this. I tried it twice.

 I think I'm going to wait and let Adobe work on the feature.

Thanks,

Jay Amundson

[olympiupius]

I have same issue witn sony A7III *.ARW

[David26834417hilp]

I tried this with Nikon NEF files from 2 cameras and it does not work at all for me, gives a warning about not being a suitable file, but NEF is Raw???

[Jay Amundson]

Yep! I have Nikon too. Same issues that I discribe above. I'm going to wait until Adobe does more work on it. Fortunaly, it's a feature I wouldn't use very often.