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April 14, 2022
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Old Film Evaluation

  • April 14, 2022
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I have many rolls of outdated 6x6 cm color negative (print) film. To try and establish a functional ASA, I shot a series of test exposures with my Bronica S2 of a three-stripe card (black/18% (middle) grey/white) - first at metered value of f/8 using the factory ASA and then three stops above and below. I had the film processed (C-22) and commercially scanned to jpg files. In Photoshop, I desatuated the image to eliminate color balance issues so I could measure only the luminance. I assumed tthe "correct" exposure would be the one that yielded a measured 18%/middle grey value of approximately 119/119/119. If my approach makes sense, then I have to conclude that the film has not significantly lost sensitivity and the metered exposure is pretty close - but the white value - instead of being 255 - is depressed on al test exposures. Apparently, there is a gamma issue and the old film has lost contrast capabilities.

 

First, I need a professional opinion as to whether my evaluation process is valid. Second if it is possible, once I settle on a specific scanned image, I need a step-by-step Photoshop procedure to correct the contrast range so the readings for the stripes on the test card come out to around 4 for black, middle grey at around 119 and whites to around 250.

 

Please do not hesitate to be critical if my logic is faulty but don't beat me up too bad since I am really old 🙂

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Chuck Uebele
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April 14, 2022

As D Fosse mentioed, scanning introduces a whole new variable. Frankly, with color negs, you can pretty much just eyeball the negative to see if it was properly exposed. If you really wanted to do it to the numbers, you would need a densitometer to read the negative. 

That film must be old, if you had it processed in C-22! 

D Fosse
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April 14, 2022

The problem here is the scanning. That introduces a new and totally unpredictable variable into the equation. Establishing a calibration procedure for the scanning again requires a reference negative. The depressed highlights may just as well come from the scanning (and most likely do).

 

So this rapidly becomes an equation with a lot of unknowns, and I'm not sure it's worth the effort. I think I'd just make some test exposures at nominal ISO (ASA), and see how it behaves.

 

In any case, with old color film, I'd be less concerned with overall sensitivity, and more concerned with curve inconsistencies per dye - in other words, color casts in shadows, midtones or highlights. I sometimes used old and poorly stored film myself back in the day, and they often turned out to have very weird color casts. I've later tried to fix some of them up in Photoshop with varying success.

 

EDIT: To be a little more precise: yes, there is a gamma issue, but not because the film is old. Negative film didn't have the same tone response curves as digital files, and they can't be directly translated.

Participant
April 25, 2022

Based on your observation, I pulled out my Canon 9000F flatbed scanner and ran a series of 4400 ppi tests using 1) Totally unaltered settings 2) Adding what the CanoScan sofware describes a PHOTO correction and 3) Adding to PHOTO a low level of FADE correction. I desaturated each and measured the luminance value in Photoshop. Attached are the results of each compared to the initial "commercial" scans. Nothing really definitive and, in fact, sometimes values that one would expect - such as a decrease of black values with a decrease in exposure - actually go up. The experiment has been fun but I  am running out of patience given all the variables. Beyond the results of these tests, no one has commented on the validity of my test process, ie: assuming a technically correct scan, should the value of an 18% grey card in a properly exposed color negative yield Photoshop RGB values of 117/117/117 or an sRGB values of 125/125/125? Do you think I should go back amd start all over with fresh film?

D Fosse
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April 25, 2022

The point is that the whole tone response curve is different. Yes, you can probably get an 18% card to reproduce as a given value in Photoshop, using any given color profile - but that tells you precisely nothing about the rest of the tone range.

 

Sorry, but this isn't going to get you anywhere.