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Perspective Warp Helps, But Repeating Objects Still Have Different Heights

Contributor ,
Jun 15, 2025 Jun 15, 2025

I'm not sure to how phrase this question,  but here goes.  In the screen shot below I show an image which is a result of a Photo Merge in Lightroom.  The composite stretched the bottom part and shrank the top, so that the poster which is repeated throughout the image is different sizes, even though it's the same poster.  I used Perspective Warp to straighten it up, see 2d screenshot, but the aspect ratio of the posters do not line up - they are the same width but different heights.  Is there a way to make the posters more or less uniform in size and aspect ratio in a single operation - that is, not applying perspective warp or some other tool individually to different sections of the file?  Thanks.  

 

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Community Expert , Jun 15, 2025 Jun 15, 2025

What caused the spacing problem? The cause was the optics of linear perspective, as taught to drawing/painting students: In a single-point perspective composition, objects appear smaller as their distance from the viewer increases, and that also applies to the spaces between objects.

 

That effect is very visible in your example because the camera was much closer to the bottom of the wall than the top, so naturally, the posters further up have much less spacing between their horizontal borders. 

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Jun 15, 2025 Jun 15, 2025

Hmmm... you don't have a lot to reference to, but have a look at Perspective Crop.

You'll need the Grid to be enabled, and ten _try_ and align the grid and outline to the images. Like I said, there are not any long straight lines to reference.

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Get is good as you can, and drag the crop edges (NOT the corner handles) to fully enclose everything you want included.  Note: You can go outside the canvas.

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When happy, OK it in the Options bar to see how you've done.  I've added some Guides to see how perpendicular the photos are.  Certainly better than they were, and you can take another go at it.  Unfortunately it doesn't work with Smart Objects, so try to get it right first time.  I'm guessing that you have a lot more pixels than I had from your screen shot, so zoom way way in to align those grid lines.  Sharpen when done.

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Jun 15, 2025 Jun 15, 2025

I'm looking at it again, and they are not all in the same perspective, so imposible to fix all of them in one operation.  How did you merge the files?  Have you tried Photoshop's Photomerge?

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Jun 16, 2025 Jun 16, 2025

Thank you.  I merged them in Lightroom, using Photo Merge > Panorama.  I do all my compositing this way.  In the early days, I would sometimes use Photoshop but found Lightroom's results more to my satisfaction.  For all I know, Photohsop is very good at it but I like the results I get with Lightroom and have never gone back.  

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Jun 15, 2025 Jun 15, 2025

What caused the spacing problem? The cause was the optics of linear perspective, as taught to drawing/painting students: In a single-point perspective composition, objects appear smaller as their distance from the viewer increases, and that also applies to the spaces between objects.

 

That effect is very visible in your example because the camera was much closer to the bottom of the wall than the top, so naturally, the posters further up have much less spacing between their horizontal borders. 

 

Lightroom did nothing wrong because the merge result is perfectly consistent with if the scene has been captured in a single shot, like the example below. I shot this example on film many years ago, before any digital trickery was possible, but you still see the same linear perspective diminishing spacing effect with the windows: The windows and spacing near the top appear much smaller than for the windows near the bottom, even though all of the windows are actually the same size. 

 

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The only good way to avoid this in camera is if you can place the camera far enough from the wall that everything is about the same distance from the camera. But we all know that isn’t always possible. I couldn’t get much further away from the building in my photo, because there was another building behind me across the street. In a case like your poster example, often the best I can do is stand back as far as I can and hold the camera as far above my head as I can, using the hinged camera screen to preview the composition. That lessens the amount of distortion that needs to be fixed later.

 

OK, so how do we fix it? This is something I prefer to handle in Lightroom or Camera Raw, right after doing the pano merge. The Perspective Crop tool in Photoshop is fine for what it is, but it’s limited. Instead, the demo below shows the Transform panel in Lightroom Classic where I loaded up and cropped your screen shot.

 

First I use the Guided Upright tool to draw four guides to tell Lightroom Classic which angles should be squared, just like the Perspective Crop tool. But I use Guided Upright only as the starting point, because after that, I use many different Transform options to tune the perspective and proportions further until it looks a lot more flat and consistent. The Vertical option is what really helps, because Vertical and Horizontal do a sort of 3D rotation of the plane. (Sometimes you can skip Guided Upright and just use Horizontal and Vertical.) I also use the Scale, X Offset, and Y Offset options to re-center the un-distorted composition. After you’re happy with this, you can switch to the Crop tool to re-crop the image if you need to.

 

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Jun 16, 2025 Jun 16, 2025

This is fantastic - just what I was looking for!  While I have used Guided Upright before, it had been awhile and I had forgotten about it.  I also did not know about the additional Transform options.  Thanks for making such a detailed demo, this should completely serve my needs.  

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Jun 16, 2025 Jun 16, 2025

It would be so simple if one could turn off the "Perspective" feature when transforming, so that only one dimension would be changed, leaving the other dimension alone.

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Jun 16, 2025 Jun 16, 2025
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It would be so simple if one could turn off the "Perspective" feature when transforming, so that only one dimension would be changed, leaving the other dimension alone.


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I HATE the way that works.  If you compare Conrad's real life photograph with how Perspective warp works over extending the wide end.  It always looks so wrong.

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I guess the way to capture rectilinear images of tall building nowadays, would be with a drone, unless you were serious enough to be using a technical camera.  Do they make digital backs for technical cameras?  I've just rememberd the Canon TS-E tilt shift lenses.

 

Anyway, with a drone you'd keep the camera perpendicular to the building, and take either one frame from half way to thew top, or multiple frames spaced up its height.  Photomerge would be able to make a nice combined merge from that.

 

@Conrad_C  I like your idea there, and will be taking a closer look for sure, although there's not much in the way of tall buildings where I live. 😞

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