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December 28, 2021
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Photoshop Beachball & Mac Mayhem

  • December 28, 2021
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It's been a wild ride since updating to Big Sur in September. This ceasless game of digital whack-a-mole is apparently how I will spend the bulk of my waking hours until the end of time. Another day, another mystery, another forum. Repeat. 

 

The issue du jour is PhotoShop (v23.1, but present in other versions). I fire it up, everything runs fine for about 5 minutes, and then the beachballs start. It's unclear from Activity Monitor what the culprit is. There doesn't appear to be any unusually high CPU or memory load for either Photoshop or CC (although PhotoShop will go in and out of 'not responding'). But it's clear some process is kicking in and when it does the whole system starts to sputter. Even after quitting PS the poor performance lingers until I reboot the desktop. Sometimes CC prompts me to 'repair,' sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't normally crash so there's no report. All I know is it worked fine a few weeks ago, some updates from Apple and Adobe come down the pike, and now it doesn't. 

 

It appears that only Photoshop triggers the metdown. And not the app itself, but something in the handshake between PS and Creative Cloud, or Creative Cloud and Mac. I've uninstalled/reinstanlled various versions of PS - even previous versions that used to work exhibit the same behavior now. I've 'repaired' and reinstalled CC, tried running PS with CC quit, with WiFi turned off - basically anything I can think of at this point.

 

I'm running the latest updates on an iMac Late 2015 4GHz Quad-Core i7, with 32GB memory, and an AMD Radeon R9 M395X 4 GB graphics card (Monterey v12.1). No spring chicken, but capable nonetheless. Furthermore I had to basically burn everything down a few months ago and start over with a new MacOS install and a fresh Admin Home User. It's a pretty lean machine at the moment.

 

Any advice from the Adobe-sphere? Anyone experiencing similar symptoms? 

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Correct answer Tolon

UPDATE & SOLVED (Maybe): After fidling with this thing for over a month I may have found a solution. Perhaps this may help someone in the future, but you may want to read the context portion following the steps before implementing as everyone's problem can be slightly different. What it boils down to is an uninstall/re-install of CC and Photoshop - and that is, in fact, one of the troubleshooting measures offered by Big A. What they don't mention is that Adobe sprinkles crap around your computer like lawnseed so you're not trully "uninstalling" anything with the uninstaller or the next level Creative Cloud Cleaner Tool. That being said...

 

• Download the Creative Cloud Cleaner Tool from Adobe, you'll need it later.

• Quit Creative Cloud Desktop.

• Open Activity Monitor and quit any Adobe process still running. You'll find many because CC never dies, it just goes into another room to talk behind your back. It's passive-aggressive like that.

• Go to Applications and use the uninstallers for the individual CC apps such as Photoshop, etc. (note: it's probably okay to uninstall them from Creative Cloud prior to quitting in the first step, but this is the method I used).

• Uninstall Creative Cloud with the included uninstaller.

• Open and run the Creative Cloud Cleaner Tool. Burn everything down, clean it all.

• Go to your User/Home folder and delete the 'Creative Cloud Files' file.

• Go to Applications > Utilities and delete all the Adobe stuff there, too.

• Go to your User > Library, go through everything and delete all things Adobe. "But I just ran Adobe uninstallers and their uber cleaner tool, what could there possibly be to delete?" you might ask yourself. You will be confronted with the folly of this assumtion as you go through every file and discover what remains. Obviously Applications Support, Cache, and Preferences are the big ones. But there's stuff everywhere. I think I kept logs without any issues. (note: I also did this in an additional administrator account that I previously ran Adobe in, not sure if that played a role).

• Go through the System > Library and do the same thing.

• Empty the Trash. Good riddance, digital garbage.

• Give permissions to the /tmp folder. Theoretically I don't think you should have to do this, but it did seem to have an effect in my case. Open Terminal and type: sudo chmod 1777 /tmp

• Hit Return, enter computer password, hit return again.

• Restart. Or if you want to do overkill - Shutdown, wait 15 seconds and reboot.

• Open the browser of your choice, go to Adobe, log into your Creative Cloud account and download CC (note: you can download Photoshop first and it will include both).

• I opened Photoshop, quit, and rebooted here. This was almost certainly inconsequential, but I've gone nuclear at this point.

 

So that seemed to work. As I stated in the beginning Photoshop appeared to work fine - until it didn't. My gut was telling me it wasn't a problem with my hardware or PS settings, and that seems to be supported by the fix. I'm blazing away with GPU, OpenCL, Native Canvas, fonts, syncing and all that good stuff enabled - no problems. All the previos offered solutions, including the (confusingly varried) Adobe instructions for removal and reinstallation. Only after doing some additional pruning in the directory libraries on the umpteenth intall did I see some improvement. I got past the 5-9 minutes where the system started to hang (actuallly close to an hour I think), but saving still took forever and I experienced the same system hang upon quitting. Around that time I noticed crash logs for the Adobe installs indicating an inability to access the /tmp files, which led me to incoporate the tmp files permission step. Adobe did appear to be putting files here, however, and I received the same crash log on the subsequent install. The only differnce was this time Photoshop actually worked. I'm not entirely sure if that was the result of the more intense directory library pruning I did, or altering those permissions. Or both.

 

I remain confused by many aspects of this ordeal. And it wasn't a mere inconvenience - it lasted over a month, significantly impacting my work. But the biggest questions are: why? and how come Adobe couldn't offer better guidance? The "why?"is confounding. I'm running an up-to-date OS and Adobe environment and then this stuff drops in out of nowhere. And if the problem was indeed permissions related, why now? My present home user/administrator is barely 4 months old and built from the goround up (not migrated) because of an earlier Big Sur related catastrophy. Not expecting any answers here, but living in a post-Big Sur world sucks. Little problems have system-wide consequences, and troubleshooting takes forever as the computer chokes on misfires and faux kernel panics. 

 

Adobe is not blameless, though. One of the proposed solutions was a clean re-install of CC and Photoshop. I was baffled as to why that didn't work. Tearing it all down and starting fresh should be like, well, starting fresh. And rolling back to a previous version that worked only to discover the same problems? That doesn't make any sense. Except that it does make sense if you take into account the fact Adobe has been taking a dump in every corner of my computer for the past few decades. Sprinkle some useless "uninstallers" on top of that and you've discovered the recipe for sadness. Every other app you can think of manages to do it's job without having to scatter junk in evey nook and cranny of my Mac. And doesn't require increasingly baroque levels of access. The processes that run and run (some you can't quit) are mind-boggling. One or both of these things prevented me from using an app that, if left to its own devices, appears to work perfectly well.

 

So, yes Apple is horrible for continuing to unleash their 1st drafts on the world and pretend like nothing is wrong. And I sympathize with you, Adobe, for having to react to all their weird, big moves. But it's not okay to have 15 different instructions on your site about how to uninstall/reinstall CC, and have none of them completely do that! Reinstalling is valid corrective measure that should cure a whole host of ills with CC and its associated apps. It shouldn't be particularly problematic either with the cloud-based authentication we enjoy. So why then did I spend a month seeking exotic solutions to something as simple as installing a f****** app!?! THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN, AND NEED, TO DO BETTER!!! And also scale back on the bloated, unnecessary processes. It's lazy and gratuitous. Get your s*** together. Love you, bye.

 

 

5 replies

Tolon
TolonAuthorCorrect answer
Inspiring
January 20, 2022

UPDATE & SOLVED (Maybe): After fidling with this thing for over a month I may have found a solution. Perhaps this may help someone in the future, but you may want to read the context portion following the steps before implementing as everyone's problem can be slightly different. What it boils down to is an uninstall/re-install of CC and Photoshop - and that is, in fact, one of the troubleshooting measures offered by Big A. What they don't mention is that Adobe sprinkles crap around your computer like lawnseed so you're not trully "uninstalling" anything with the uninstaller or the next level Creative Cloud Cleaner Tool. That being said...

 

• Download the Creative Cloud Cleaner Tool from Adobe, you'll need it later.

• Quit Creative Cloud Desktop.

• Open Activity Monitor and quit any Adobe process still running. You'll find many because CC never dies, it just goes into another room to talk behind your back. It's passive-aggressive like that.

• Go to Applications and use the uninstallers for the individual CC apps such as Photoshop, etc. (note: it's probably okay to uninstall them from Creative Cloud prior to quitting in the first step, but this is the method I used).

• Uninstall Creative Cloud with the included uninstaller.

• Open and run the Creative Cloud Cleaner Tool. Burn everything down, clean it all.

• Go to your User/Home folder and delete the 'Creative Cloud Files' file.

• Go to Applications > Utilities and delete all the Adobe stuff there, too.

• Go to your User > Library, go through everything and delete all things Adobe. "But I just ran Adobe uninstallers and their uber cleaner tool, what could there possibly be to delete?" you might ask yourself. You will be confronted with the folly of this assumtion as you go through every file and discover what remains. Obviously Applications Support, Cache, and Preferences are the big ones. But there's stuff everywhere. I think I kept logs without any issues. (note: I also did this in an additional administrator account that I previously ran Adobe in, not sure if that played a role).

• Go through the System > Library and do the same thing.

• Empty the Trash. Good riddance, digital garbage.

• Give permissions to the /tmp folder. Theoretically I don't think you should have to do this, but it did seem to have an effect in my case. Open Terminal and type: sudo chmod 1777 /tmp

• Hit Return, enter computer password, hit return again.

• Restart. Or if you want to do overkill - Shutdown, wait 15 seconds and reboot.

• Open the browser of your choice, go to Adobe, log into your Creative Cloud account and download CC (note: you can download Photoshop first and it will include both).

• I opened Photoshop, quit, and rebooted here. This was almost certainly inconsequential, but I've gone nuclear at this point.

 

So that seemed to work. As I stated in the beginning Photoshop appeared to work fine - until it didn't. My gut was telling me it wasn't a problem with my hardware or PS settings, and that seems to be supported by the fix. I'm blazing away with GPU, OpenCL, Native Canvas, fonts, syncing and all that good stuff enabled - no problems. All the previos offered solutions, including the (confusingly varried) Adobe instructions for removal and reinstallation. Only after doing some additional pruning in the directory libraries on the umpteenth intall did I see some improvement. I got past the 5-9 minutes where the system started to hang (actuallly close to an hour I think), but saving still took forever and I experienced the same system hang upon quitting. Around that time I noticed crash logs for the Adobe installs indicating an inability to access the /tmp files, which led me to incoporate the tmp files permission step. Adobe did appear to be putting files here, however, and I received the same crash log on the subsequent install. The only differnce was this time Photoshop actually worked. I'm not entirely sure if that was the result of the more intense directory library pruning I did, or altering those permissions. Or both.

 

I remain confused by many aspects of this ordeal. And it wasn't a mere inconvenience - it lasted over a month, significantly impacting my work. But the biggest questions are: why? and how come Adobe couldn't offer better guidance? The "why?"is confounding. I'm running an up-to-date OS and Adobe environment and then this stuff drops in out of nowhere. And if the problem was indeed permissions related, why now? My present home user/administrator is barely 4 months old and built from the goround up (not migrated) because of an earlier Big Sur related catastrophy. Not expecting any answers here, but living in a post-Big Sur world sucks. Little problems have system-wide consequences, and troubleshooting takes forever as the computer chokes on misfires and faux kernel panics. 

 

Adobe is not blameless, though. One of the proposed solutions was a clean re-install of CC and Photoshop. I was baffled as to why that didn't work. Tearing it all down and starting fresh should be like, well, starting fresh. And rolling back to a previous version that worked only to discover the same problems? That doesn't make any sense. Except that it does make sense if you take into account the fact Adobe has been taking a dump in every corner of my computer for the past few decades. Sprinkle some useless "uninstallers" on top of that and you've discovered the recipe for sadness. Every other app you can think of manages to do it's job without having to scatter junk in evey nook and cranny of my Mac. And doesn't require increasingly baroque levels of access. The processes that run and run (some you can't quit) are mind-boggling. One or both of these things prevented me from using an app that, if left to its own devices, appears to work perfectly well.

 

So, yes Apple is horrible for continuing to unleash their 1st drafts on the world and pretend like nothing is wrong. And I sympathize with you, Adobe, for having to react to all their weird, big moves. But it's not okay to have 15 different instructions on your site about how to uninstall/reinstall CC, and have none of them completely do that! Reinstalling is valid corrective measure that should cure a whole host of ills with CC and its associated apps. It shouldn't be particularly problematic either with the cloud-based authentication we enjoy. So why then did I spend a month seeking exotic solutions to something as simple as installing a f****** app!?! THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN, AND NEED, TO DO BETTER!!! And also scale back on the bloated, unnecessary processes. It's lazy and gratuitous. Get your s*** together. Love you, bye.

 

 

Legend
January 21, 2022

What matters is that in the end, you are happy.

Tolon
TolonAuthor
Inspiring
January 9, 2022

UPDATE: Excited to see there was a PS update (23.1.0), but unfortunately it didn't fix my problem. I'm still seeing issues with 'watchdog' triggered timeout errors. (checkin with service: logd returned not alive with context: unresponsive dispatch queue(s): com.apple.firehose.io-wl). I'm no longer getting "resampled x of x threads with truncated backtraces from x pid" andymore, though. Now it's just "unindexed user-stack frames from x pids." This truly sucks. From various message boards I think other people are being effected by this, too, but it's just manifesting in different ways. Since everyone's setup is a little different commands are being executed in different orders, so the offending event might not always be the same. Everything appears to stem from bad memory swaps and/or the inabbility to initiate commands in the allotted timeframe. Ugh.

Tolon
TolonAuthor
Inspiring
January 4, 2022

UPDATE: The issue persists. Fine for a couple minutes, eventually beachballs, app unresponsiveness, usually panics bluetooth at some point, sometimes instigates a full-on computer crash but always causes a system-wide slowdown that requires a reboot (even after Photoshop is closed). I got nothing at this point, I'm out of ideas.

 

In my troubleshooting search I came across some posts that seem to describe the same problem. But, curiously, they were from a year or so ago and for different versions of Photoshop and other Adobe apps so I don't know what that's about. I'm even at a loss as to what kicked this whole thing off to begin with. It likely has some connection with an Apple or Adobe update, but I don't recall the troubles coinciding with any one in particular.

 

Near as I can tell it looks like an Adobe and Apple thing - possibly related to the awful implimentation of memory swaps in the new macOS and their new ways of dealing with the directory and/or security. On top of that there's probably some wonky code in Photoshop (or possibly Creative Cloud) that triggers it. In the end it all comes down to timeouts. A process starts and can't finish, then the whole computer goes bat[bleep] crazy. That could be a bad fork, some network thing hogging resources so it can't start in time, memory not being allocated/released properly, some instruction not being executed quickly enough or in the wrong order, etc., etc. - whatever it is it's above my pay grade and skill level. The remedy appears to be 'wait for an update,' which is a bummer because those haven't exactly been hitting it out of the park these days. I'm just so exhausted dealing with the two A's lately. The whole reason this shiny expensive thing sits on my desk is so I can work, and recently it feels like one or the other is always preventing that. This suuuuuuuuuucks. [sad and/or angry-face emoji]

Legend
December 29, 2021

I have the 21" 2015 iMac. It works great on smaller files but is slow with my 5Dsr RAW files, even after moving scratch disk to an SSD. My 2015 MacBook Pro is a bit faster but not much. I'm thinking that I'm right at the limit of what this generation can handle.

Tolon
TolonAuthor
Inspiring
December 29, 2021

That's probably true for both of us. But I was working on pretty big files a few weeks ago with no problems. The ones I'm currently on are all under 10mb and never more than 2 layers (flattened for saving, too). Not exactly anything that demands a lot of resources. I have tons of drive space and my scratch is on the HD, too. Something definitely went sideways a couple weeks ago. And since Big Sur troubleshooting has become a mindnumbing, infuriating exercise. Small problems seem to have system-wide effects so just trying to make changes and check if they worked is sloooooooow. The causes have become increasingly esoteric un-Googleable bankshots. A couple months ago, for instance, my Mail would lock up my whole computer everytime I opened it. Couldn't force-quit, the only remedy was a series of reboots. The remedy appeared to be dealing with a corrupt Photos database. Contacts was asking Photos for something it wasn't getting, and Mail was throwing a fit because Contacts wouldn't come to the party, and that in turn somehow initiated a process that never resolved nor crashed. Another hallmark of the Big Sur/Monterey era is Activity Monitor has become useless. In the old days (2020) when your whole OS ground to a hault and chugged along in fits and starts the offender was pretty obvious in Activity. No longer. Between Apple getting super comfortable releasing their 1st drafts as finished products and all the third-party software trying to catch up it's been a crappy couple of months. For me anyway, your millage may vary.

Tolon
TolonAuthor
Inspiring
December 29, 2021

[mileage]

Tarun Saini
Community Manager
Community Manager
December 28, 2021

Hi there,

 

We're sorry about the trouble with Photoshop. Could you please share the exact version of the operating system you're using?

 

Try resetting the preferences of Photoshop by: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html

Backup the preferences before resetting by: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html#BackupPhotoshoppreferences

 

If the issue persists, please go to the System Preferences for your Mac, then Security and Privacy, then select the Privacy tab. Then select Accessibility from the list to the left & check if Photoshop is added to the list with a check mark in front of it. If Photoshop is not a part of the list, please add it by unlocking the window first using the lock at the bottom left, then clicking the + icon & navigating to the Applications folder. Also, grant permissions to Photoshop under Full disk access located in the same list as Accessibility. Once done, restart the Mac & check if it helps. 

 

Regards,

Tarun

Tolon
TolonAuthor
Inspiring
December 28, 2021

Thanks for the reply. As stated above, I'm on macOS Monterey 12.1 and Photoshop 23.1. The security access permissions you suggest were already in place and have been for some time, so that's probably not it. Coincidentally I had just 'reset preferences' about 10 minutes prior ro your response. Upon quitting Photoshop I immediately experienced system hang for a few minutes followed by a prompt to repair CC, then pronounced systemwide hang for another 15 minutes or so. I have no active plug-ins (no inactive ones either at the moment), file sync is paused, and fonts are disabled in CC. I've also disabled the GPU at various times and fiddled with performace settings. Additionally, I have intalled older versions of PS that previously worked only to find them exhibit the same symptoms. Running out of ideas here.

mglush
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 28, 2021

Hi!

Wow! It sounds like this has been an ongoing battle. In all of the troubleshooting you've done, have you checked to see if it's the Graphics Processor Card that might be hanging you up? Here are steps to follow to see if that might be the culprit. https://helpx.adobe.com/ie/photoshop/kb/troubleshoot-gpu-graphics-card.html

 

Check this one to see if your card meets the minimum system requirement

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/system-requirements.html

 

And I thought this one might help too:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photoshop-cc-gpu-card-faq.html

 

Please let us know if these help or if you are still having the issue.

Michelle