Skip to main content
May 9, 2013
Question

Photoshop CC - Rent to Own?

  • May 9, 2013
  • 8 replies
  • 42616 views

I have been following and commenting on the firestorm of protest about Adobe's switch to a Cloud only subscription.  Many angry users and they all want Adobe to reinstate the status quo.  In my opinion this is just not going to happen.  But like Obama says "never let a good crisis go to waste".  So let the users get behind a compromise that neither side will be happy with, but will work for both.

Besides price, the next biggest complaint is that if you stop your subscription you have nothing.  So my proposal of Rent to Own.  Here is one way to do it.

After 3 years of renting you are entitled to a download of the version of your products that was active 2 years prior.  This download would be a perpetual licence. 

Arguments for the above.

1.  Adobe is not going to give you the current version as is deceases incentive to continue subscription once you have a current version.  So don't beat a dead horse with this argument.   Two years back seems like a good compromise. 

2.  CS6 is also a perpetual licence, but will it work with the then current computers and OS in the future?  Evidence says not likely.  So a 2 year old product should still be OK.

3.  I chose 3 years of rental as that would be more than one would pay in rental to buy the product, if it was offered.  This may be a negotiable point with Adobe.  But if you rent for 10 years, and then retire as a professional photographer, or your interests shift, you need the programs so you can continue working with the images.

4.  The argument that there is no disk for versions, as it is all subscription, is hollow.  They have a product that you download to your computer.  All Adobe needs is a deactivation code so it does not ask for the monthly payment.  All Adobe would have to do is keep the version that was active on January 1 two years ago.

Let the users come up with a compromise, rather than digging in and saying no way, and getting nothing.

    This topic has been closed for replies.

    8 replies

    Participant
    May 19, 2013

    There has been a strong negative reaction to Adobe's CC approach for Creative Suite.  Australian Photography photo magazine is full of negative customer comments.  I agree with the following comment from the magazine:

    For the many amateurs and hobbyists for whom post-processing is an imprtant part of their creativity, this is devastating. Paying $20/moth for Photoshop is simply not viable. Even if I was happy to pay, my internet is slow and sometimes not even accessible which would cause much frustration. Yep, I'll be looking for another editing program, too. I hope this encourages other developers to see the opportunities Adode has just opened for them. For those who stick with Adobe, I predict the monthly subscription charges will rise once Adobe counts the cost of the loss of once-loyal customers. I urge Adobe to come up with an alternative for the non-professionals and photographers with poor or no internet. This is so, so disappointing.

    AND

    Stupid stupid stupid. Last month I had no Internet for one month thanks to Telstra. If I only had cloud software I would have really been up sxxt creek without a paddle. Looks like ill be looking at other alternatives. I use cs6. Photoshop, bridge and in design, you have lost me as a customer Adobe.

    Alternatives to moving Photoshop to Creative Cloud for users, particularly with poor internet access, is needed. 

    station_two
    Inspiring
    May 19, 2013

    While agreeing with you that there's very little to like in this Adobe move, I have to say that you are under one misconception:

    A continuous Internet connection will not be needed to actually use the software under the Cloud subscription model.  The software is downloaded and installed on your computer, it only needs to connect with Adobe once every 30 days, which is bad enough in my view.

    No, I will not be subscribing myself—unless they offer it for about $4 per month with a 25-year guarantee of no increase in the monthly fee at all. 

    PECourtejoie
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 21, 2013

    And, according to the Creative Cloud FAQ, the connection is every 30 days, if you select the month-by-month option. (it makes sense, doesn't it?), but with the yearly commitment, it is currently every 99 days, and it seems like the period might actually increase, and there are plans out for people without connectivity for a longer period (contact customer service)

    Participating Frequently
    May 13, 2013

    Just one more thing: bye, bye Adobe!

    GraphicConverter can do almost the same stuff - and is shareware!

    Participant
    May 10, 2013

    Personally I am just planning on jumping ship to either GIMP or Corel next time I feel the need to upgrade.

    *Photonic
    Known Participant
    May 10, 2013

    zchrykng wrote:

    Personally I am just planning on jumping ship to either GIMP or Corel next time I feel the need to upgrade.

    This option is on a lot of people's minds. Many "Standard Version" PS users who don't need PS Extended are now looking at alternative products and thinking of viable exit strategies from PS in the near future. As such, a new market is being created.

    It will take time for competitors to R&D a PS "Standard" replacement, so I'm wondering how long I can hold out using CS5. As an Apple OS user, I'm in a precarious position relative to their "OS version every year" marketing drive. Will their next OS, due out soon, break CS5? If so, then how long can I hold out w/o a new computer? New computer equals new OS.

    I was planning on upgrading to CS7, but now I'm faced with paying $199 for an upgrade to CS6 instead. CS6's less than stellar new features are just not worth it to me. Should I get sucked into the CC $10/mo. intro-offer in order to buy myself some time?

    As Curt, who started this thread is saying, we all really want another option -- something cheaper and with an exit strategy, if needed.

    The best option I can think of, that Adobe may be OK with, is making the $10/mo. intro subscription price permanent for a "Standard" version of PS, and then after two years of subscribing, allow us to opt-out for $50 while providing a permanent license to the previous year's version. This isn't ideal, but at least it's something "better."

    Frank Heller
    Inspiring
    May 29, 2013

    The whole CC thing makes a lot of sense, but the roll out and information is not published well.

    If you have to have a contiguous account paying every month for software you don't use, this ideology will backfire for users who need it on a as needed basis. 

    If you turn on the software and pay your fee when needed, that makes much more sense. Their model of business is changing into cell phone service contracts  - AKA Sprint, ATT, T-mobile.


    Worth reading:

    http://adobe2014.tumblr.com/

    Participant
    May 10, 2013

    This sounds reasonable.  I'm not going to sign up for CC until there is an exit strategy.

    John T Smith
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    May 9, 2013

    First, I will say that my agreement with your proposal really counts for very little, since I am a home user who will NOT go to the Cloud... CS5 Master Collection does everything I need

    Second, the only thing that will make Adobe change is reduced revenue and/or lower stock prices and earnings... I simply do not think Adobe is listening to anything we say... or, at least, not listening and really paying much attention

    May 9, 2013

    John T Smith wrote:

    First, I will say that my agreement with your proposal really counts for very little, since I am a home user who will NOT go to the Cloud... CS5 Master Collection does everything I need

    Second, the only thing that will make Adobe change is reduced revenue and/or lower stock prices and earnings... I simply do not think Adobe is listening to anything we say... or, at least, not listening and really paying much attention

    CS5 will do everything you need today and tomorrow I agree.  But in 8 years?  Will it be like running Photoshop 7 on a modern computer? 

    I assure you this is a much more profitable business model than the past one.  In addition they are playing into the modern financial process of small monthly payments rather than a onetime big expenditure.  A car sales person never asks how much you want to spend for a car, it is always how much can you afford per month?  Or how many people want to shell out $700 for an iPhone, but have no problem signing up for a 2 year contract at inflated prices?

    I agree that right now Adobe is not listening to anything we say as it is all NOT, NOT, NOT.  They know as well as you do those people will be back when the alternatives are not attractive and the retoric dies down. 

    A proper exit strategy is to Adobe's long term benefit as it will provide some incentive for current uses to accept the subscription mode, and it will enhance revenue.  I do not see any downside to either party from this. 

    It is in the users lap whether they want to dig in and proclaim "just say no", or whether to present a win-win solution.

    Participating Frequently
    May 10, 2013

    > A proper exit strategy is to Adobe's long term benefit as it will  provide some incentive for current uses

    > to accept the subscription mode,  and it will enhance revenue.  I do not see any downside to either

    > party  from this. 

       You have to realize that the removal of an exit strategy is part of their plan. It's part of the leverage to make it painful to ever leave.

      Since it's part of their lock-in strategy, it seems unlikely that Adobe would give in on this unless they absolutely had to.

    Noel Carboni
    Legend
    May 9, 2013

    Sounds like what I was suggesting, except I proposed 2 years of rental rather than 3.

    Adobe needs to provide an exit strategy.

    -Noel

    Participating Frequently
    May 9, 2013

    Im just curious on how Adobe wanting to make money is somehow wrong? How bout you complainers go offer your bosses to work for free. I mean, its the right thing to do, right?

    Participating Frequently
    May 9, 2013

    No one is suggesting you should get the software for free. People are complaining that most users are going to pay more money that they did before, with no choice in the matter. Anyone who wants to continue using most of Adobe's products will be forced into this rent forever program no matter what. Go and read the new terms and agreements for the Creative Cloud. They are the most onerous I've ever seen. Worse that X-Rite at their worse and even worse that Facebook. Unbelievable.

    Was DYP
    Inspiring
    May 9, 2013

    Sounds resonable to me.

    Now let Adobe come up with a compromise, rather than digging in and saying no way, and getting nothing.

    Participating Frequently
    May 9, 2013

    > Sounds resonable to me

      Not to me. As far as I'm concerned Adobe threw it's customers under the bus hoping to take advantage of it's near-monoply to force everyone to cough up money on a regular basis and be 'locked-in' more than before.

       Should I now plead with Adobe to hurt me a little less?

       Adobe already wrote me off as unnecessary on their march to bigger profits.