Photoshop exported photos are oversaturated incl correct colour profile

Explorer ,
Feb 24, 2022 Feb 24, 2022

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Hi guys, I am here as a last resort. I have been with this issue for a year, searching high and low. I am totally lost and hopefully am able to find a solution here.

I am working on a Dell XPS 15, 4k res (not OLED), 100% aRGB supported. My screen is also colour calibrated with my own hardware device.

Working in photoshop, I always work in the aRGB colour profile and I dont export to sRGB because my personal projects are not meant for public. When I finish a project and export it to JPG (100% quality), all my photos are MEGA oversaturated when I embed color profile. When I uncheck it, it is still oversaturated but not as much. When assigning the correct colour profile, the colours dont change.

I am working with the latest version of Adobe, windows 10.

 

Photo 1: settings
photo 2. Exported 100%, embed color profile checked, sRGB unchecked)
photo 3. Exported 100%, embed color profile UNchecked, sRGB checked)
photo 4. Screenshot from PS, this is the most accurate... Showing the correct colour profile too

 

settings.jpg

 

clown apocalypse - embed.jpgclown apocalypse- colour profile settings aRGB.jpgaRGB screenshot.jpg

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Feb 24, 2022 Feb 24, 2022

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In what application are you viewing the exported image?

 

"When assigning the correct colour profile, the colours dont change."

Please clarify what this means.

Are you opening the exported image in Photoshop, and assigning Adobe RGB?

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Explorer ,
Feb 24, 2022 Feb 24, 2022

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So, after exporting the an image without embed color profile, I then grab the image and open it into PS and then I would manually assign my colour profile. This is a test to see if the image would change or not to the correct colours.

It doesn't...

I have an application where I can hit spacebar to open a preview of the image (just like on a mac).

With my exported photos from LR, the photos are always perfect. But from the moment I export them via PS, the saturation goes crazy.

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Feb 24, 2022 Feb 24, 2022

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I have an application where I can hit spacebar to open a preview of the image (just like on a mac).

 

This application,whatever it is, is obviously not color managed, and applications without color management will inevitably display images over saturated on a wide gamut monitor (which is what you have).

Windows Photos is color managed, and should display the same as Photoshop.

There are also third party color managed viewers, like ACDSee and FastStone.

The latter requires that you enable color management in Settings.

 

If your source files are in Adobe RGB, and you want to export in Adobe RGB, you can uncheck Convert to sRGB, and check Embed profile. I wasn't sure if this would work, but I tried it, and it seems to work.

All major web browsers are color managed these days, so they should honor the Adobe RGB file.

But only viewers with wide gamut monitors will be able to see colors that are outside the sRGB gamut.

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Explorer ,
Feb 25, 2022 Feb 25, 2022

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"I have an application where I can hit spacebar to open a preview of the image (just like on a mac).

With my exported photos from LR, the photos are always perfect. But from the moment I export them via PS, the saturation goes crazy."


I don't know how to quote myself in a previous message but this is what I wrote. If my application to view photos, with spacebar, shows my LR exported photos exactly how they are (also edited in aRGB), then the exported photos with PS should be the same too. There is nothing wrong with the way I view my photos.

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Feb 25, 2022 Feb 25, 2022

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"I have an application where I can hit spacebar to open a preview of the image (just like on a mac).

With my exported photos from LR, the photos are always perfect. But from the moment I export them via PS, the saturation goes crazy."


I don't know how to quote myself in a previous message but this is what I wrote. If my application to view photos, with spacebar, shows my LR exported photos exactly how they are (also edited in aRGB), then the exported photos with PS should be the same too. There is nothing wrong with the way I view my photos.


By @jeremygliksman

 

I have also shown in the first topic message a photo where I embed colour profile without checking sRGB. That gives me the worst results, as shown on the photo.

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Explorer ,
Feb 25, 2022 Feb 25, 2022

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Hi Per, I found another topic where I think I have the same issue. https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/colours-not-matching-photoshop-vs-pho...

I followed the steps you have provided there but I have come up with another issue (i think). You told the topic opener to go to his screen settings and change it into aRGB. I have a laptop from Dell that should be 100% aRGB (that's why i bought this laptop) and I went to settings to select the colour profile of aRGB, but I cant seem to find it.

 

I have already colour corrected my screen manually with my own hardware device, but that has been a very long time ago.

 

This is what i see when opening settings though, I cannot find aRGB anywhere.

 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 25, 2022 Feb 25, 2022

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You haven't told us what image viewer you invoke by pressing the space bar, but if it's QuickLook from the Microsoft store, it's not color managed.

I installed it, and it displays over saturated colors on my wide gamut monitor.

 

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Feb 24, 2022 Feb 24, 2022

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you're probably viewing the image in a un-managed application like Windows Viewer, right? 

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Yes, but windows viewer does show my exported LR photos 100% perfect. So, I don't see why PS would be any different.

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Feb 24, 2022 Feb 24, 2022

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because you're not managing you color correctly. Are you exporting sRGB from Lr or AdobeRGB? Save from Ps as sRGB and export from Lr as sRGB... your images will look the same. Do the same with AdobeRGB and they'll be the same.

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because you're not managing you color correctly. Are you exporting sRGB from Lr or AdobeRGB? Save from Ps as sRGB and export from Lr as sRGB... your images will look the same. Do the same with AdobeRGB and they'll be the same.


By @Earth Oliver

 

Theyre not. The same image exported in LR looks perfect, whereas with PS looks oversaturated

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Guide ,
Feb 26, 2022 Feb 26, 2022

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again, it's workflow that's the problem here. Sounds like you're intentionally doing everything wrong instead of following the correct steps that people here have outlined for you. 

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Feb 24, 2022 Feb 24, 2022

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Or the image has been Exported without an embedded profile.

 

In any case, the underlying cause of this mismatch is the same: the original color profile isn't honored.

 

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Explorer ,
Feb 24, 2022 Feb 24, 2022

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In the photos that i have provided at the top of this post, you can see that I have exported one image using the 'embed color profile' checked... That one is the worst of all exports :s

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 24, 2022 Feb 24, 2022

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So, you have definitely embedded the icc profile?

May I ask why you "export" when save as is straightforward and easy to understand?

 

Are you viewing the image in Photoshop after you've "exported" it? 

If not maybe Windows images? Its no good viewing in non colourmanaged applications especially if you have a large gamut screen. Could it be that the Dell XPS 15, 4k is Adobe RGB (1998) gamut? 

 

I hope this helps
neil barstow, colourmanagement net :: adobe forum volunteer:: Co-Author:Getting Colour Right
google me "neil barstow colourmanagement" for lots of free articles on colour management

 

 

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After viewing the photo via windows viewer, I open the photo into PS, I manually assign my colour profile to the image and nothing changes.

I export photos because sometimes I do export for Insta or for the public and then I have full control over the file size, quality and so on + I can convert to sRGB. But, even when converting to sRGB (as shown in the top with the 3 photos), it still oversaturates the original photo quite hard.

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Feb 24, 2022 Feb 24, 2022

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sRGB or Adobe RGB means nothing if that profile is not used in a color managed display pipeline. Not all applications support that! That's why we keep asking where you're viewing the exported file.

 

An application without color management support just sends the RGB numbers straight to screen. Then it displays according to the characteristics of your monitor, which can be anything at all, and so it can look like anything at all.

 

In a color managed application the numbers are converted from the document profile into your monitor profile. Assuming the monitor profile is accurate, this ensures that the image appears correctly on screen. That's how the image really looks!

 

The document profile should be embedded the whole time. Make sure it's embedded when you save the file. You shouldn't need to assign profiles later - it should be there the whole time.

 

If the image doesn't display correctly in Photoshop, the usual reason is a defective/broken monitor profile. Bad profiles from the manufacturer are quite often distributed through Windows Update.

 

 

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Feb 25, 2022 Feb 25, 2022

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I open my photos with an app called Photos (from Windows 10). Lightroom exported photos exactly show how they are edited (exported to sRGB). The exported photos with PS should be the same too because I am using the same viewer (Photos app) and I am exporting in aRGB or sRGB (I have already assigned both profiles and shown in the first topic with the image examples). There is nothing wrong with the way I view my photos, I would say... Otherwise I would have bad results with Lightroom too...?

I have exported in every way possible. With embed, without embed, with sRGB, without sRGB. When exporting with embed, it gives me the craziest results.

I am using Windows 10 so there shouldn't be any issues with that. As you can see in the first message, my colour settings in Photoshop are as they should and my photos HAVE a colour profile tag too.. You can see that tag in the screenshot I took from my photoshop.

My monitor from my laptop is 100% aRGB and its manually colour calibrated. So, I really don't know what else to say...

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Feb 25, 2022 Feb 25, 2022

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I checked my monitor settings and another tutorial on how to change it. I am using this website as reference: https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/colours-not-matching-photoshop-vs-pho...

The solution was to find aRGB inside the settings but I don't see this setting... Even though my screen is 100% aRGB (that's one of the reasons why I bought this laptop).

I have included a screenshot from the settings. Perhaps you can advise me whats going on?

 

The green arrow is what has been selected as before.

 

colour settings.jpg

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Feb 25, 2022 Feb 25, 2022

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You need to get a calibrator. Dell monitor profiles are notoriously bad.

 

No wide gamut display should ever be sold without a calibrator included in the package. Again, Dell is among the worst offenders here, because they don't even bother to inform their customers what the implications of a wide gamut monitor are.

 

With a wide gamut display, you cannot use applications without full color management support. Period, no exceptions. You simply can't use them. You need to find color managed alternatives for everything (they usually exist).

 

Windows "Photos" is currently color managed, but that only happened in a fairly recent Windows version. If you haven't updated in a while, chances are it won't display correctly.

 

This really isn't difficult. Here's what you need:

  • an embedded document profile
  • a valid monitor profile that describes the actual and current behavior of the display
  • a color managed application that reads both these profiles and converts from one into the other

If you can put a checkmark to these three components, the image will display correctly. It has to.

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Feb 25, 2022 Feb 25, 2022

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Windows display profile, display profile issues on Windows

Here's something to try
It'll only take a few minutes and is good troubleshooting.

At least once a week on this forum we read about this, or very similar issues of appearance differing between colour managed applications.
Of course you must not expect accurate colour with programs such as Windows "Photos", because colour management is not implemented there, so such programs are incapable of providing accurate image display.

Unfortunately, with Microsoft hardware: Windows updates, Graphics Card updates and Display manufacturers have a frustratingly growing reputation for automatically installing useless (corrupted) monitor display profiles.
I CAN happen with Macs but with far less likelihood, it seems.]

The issue can affect different application programs in different ways, some not at all, some very badly.

The poor monitor display profile issue is hidden by some applications, specifically those that do not use colour management, such as Microsoft Windows "Photos".

Photoshop is correct, it’s the industry standard for viewing images, in my experience it's revealing an issue with the Monitor Display profile rather than causing it. Whatever you do, don't ignore it. As the issue isn’t caused by Photoshop, please don’t change your Photoshop ‘color settings’ to try fix it.

To find out if the monitor display profile is the issue, I recommend you to try temporarily setting the monitor profile for your own monitor display under “Device” in your Windows ‘color management’ control panel to “sRGB IEC61966-2.1”. (If you have a wide gamut monitor display (check the spec online) it’s better to try ‘AdobeRGB1998” here instead as it more closely approximates the display characteristics).

Click ‘Start’, type color in the search box,
then click Color Management. In the Devices tab, ensure that your monitor is selected in the Device field.

You can click to ADD to add “sRGB IEC61966-2.1” (or AdobeRGB1998) if not already listed there.
Again - IF you have a wide gamut display I suggest trying “AdobeRGB1998”

Once it’s selected, be sure to check “Use my settings for this device” up top.
And click on “set as Default Profile - bottom right

 

Color Management.jpg

Screenshot of Color Management Control Panel

Quit and relaunch Photoshop after the control panel change, to ensure the new settings are applied.

Depending on the characteristics of your monitor display and your requirements, using sRGB or Adobe RGB here may be good enough - but no display perfectly matches either, so a custom calibration is a superior approach.

If this change to the Monitor Display profile temporarily fixes the appearance issue, it is recommended that you should now calibrate and profile the monitor properly using a calibration sensor like the i1display pro, which will create and install its own custom monitor profile. The software should install its profile correctly so there should be no need to manually set the control panel once you are doing this right.

 

Still got problems?
Perhaps try resetting Photoshop preferences?
Resetting restores Photoshop's internal preferences, which are saved when Photoshop closes. If they become corrupt then various issues can occur.

Here’s some info on how to do that:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html
And
https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/quick-tips-how-to-reset-photoshop-pre...

You may want to backup your settings and your custom presets, brushes & actions before restoring Photoshop's preferences.
Here is general info that:  https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html#BackupPhotoshoppreferences

Also take a look at the following article and check if that helps: 
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/printing-color-management-photoshop1.html

Preferences file location: https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/preference-file-names-locations-photoshop.html

 

It may even be time to reinstall Photoshop.

Its recommended that you use the Adobe CC cleaner tool to remove all traces first.
Uninstall Photoshop BUT make sure to choose the option “Yes, remove app preference”.
 
Once that process finishes, start the installation process and look into the “Advanced Options”. Uncheck “Import previous settings and preferences” and choose to “Remove old versions”.

I hope this helps
neil barstow, colourmanagement net :: adobe forum volunteer
google me "neil barstow colourmanagement" for lots of free articles on colour management

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@NB, colourmanagement net 

Windows Photos has been color managed for some time now, and should display correct colors.

 

@jeremygliksman 

It's very strange that Adobe RGB isn't listed as installed on your system.

I did a search for it on my computer, and found four instances.

See if you can find it in C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\Color\Profiles\Recommended

and copy it to C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color

 

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Per " @NB, colourmanagement net 

Windows Photos has been color managed for some time now, and should display correct colors."

As I understand it, Photos is only colourmanagement starting with W11? Is that right?

 

neil barstow, colourmanagement net :: adobe forum volunteer

google me "neil barstow colourmanagement" for lots of free articles on colour management 

 

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LEGEND ,
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Suggestion, if you don't like the replies so far (though repeatedly saying a non-colour managed app is "fine" is unlikely to gain any traction in these forums...)

You say that the same image exported from Lightroom vs Photoshop looks bad in the Photoshop case. Of course, all bets are off if you don't embed profiles, so please export the SAME image from EACH app, embedding in both cases, and share them. If they look the same to us, we can say. If they look different to us, we can try and find out why. If they look different in a non-colour managed app, we won't much care.

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