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Lorie Zweifel
Inspiring
April 29, 2018
Question

Preparing Old Photos in Grayscale for Offset Printing

  • April 29, 2018
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Hello and thank you for viewing my question.

I am preparing a history book filled with many old photos.  The method of obtaining these photos varies...  some photos were originally color, scanned and converted, some were originally b/w some were poor quality and scanned from a copy of a photo.

At any rate, I have prepared the photos to look very nicely on my screen, however notice that they print quite nicely with my photo inkjet printer, but some a little dark with the laser printer.  I do not know who will print this book, what I do know is that it will offset printing so just curious if anyone has some tips that I can do to help prepare my photos and cut down their costs who ever they may be.

Thank you!

L

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    rob day
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 29, 2018

    I am preparing a history book filled with many old photos.

    Will you be using InDesign to layout the book?

    InDesign ignores Gray profiles and color manages placed grayscales' appearance via the document's CMYK profile. So if you color correct using the default 20% Dot Gain gray profile in Photoshop, expect a preview change when you place in InDesign.

    In Photoshop you can use any CMYK profile's black channel as the gray profile and get appearance matches between Photoshop and InDesign with Overprint Preview turned on.

    If you know the layout's expected CMYK destination you can use it as the gray profile—this would match InDesign's default US SWOP Coated:

    Here are two InDesign grayscale threads that might help:

    https://forums.adobe.com/message/4482662#4482662#4482662

    Re: Grayscale images showing up too dark

    Norman Sanders
    Legend
    April 29, 2018

    The key phrase in your post is “a history book."

    That leads to the following questions:

    1. As a history book, is it fair to assume the book will be printed on an uncoated stock?

    2. Will the images be incorporated with the text or as separate inserted signatures, allowing for a different choice stock surface for the photographs?

    3. Can the production budget afford single color printing? double-black or duotone? four-color-black reproduction?

    Specific file preparation instructions, guided by your answers to the above questions, may be provided by the printing firm. 

    D Fosse
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 29, 2018

    If this is for offset print, you need to decide (or find out) if it's going to be printed in 4 color, or on the black plate only.

    • 4C gives deeper blacks and better contrast, and also allows slight toning, sepia or otherwise. For this you need to prepare the files as Adobe RGB or sRGB.
    • K only is cheaper and for this reason often used. But it's very difficult to get a good contrast, because the black level is very high. It's more charcoal than black. The result tends to look muddy and with poor definition.

    There's an additional problem with K only. Grayscale support is very poor overall, and any embedded grayscale profile may as well be ignored as not. As a result, you frequently get tonal changes.

    One way around this is to get the CMYK profile that will be used, and put image content in the K channel only. Leave C, M and Y empty. This will preview correctly in Photoshop.

    You can set up this as working gray. Go into working gray and click "load gray", and navigate to the CMYK profile.

    Lorie Zweifel
    Inspiring
    April 29, 2018

    My photos are embedded into the story (text) of indesign..  the entire book will be printed b/w - no color

    rob day
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    April 29, 2018

    My photos are embedded into the story (text) of indesign.

    InDesign has a dual preview of placed grayscale objects. With Overprint/Separation Preview turned off the gray values preview as sGray or the equivalent of the 2.2 Gamma profile in Photoshop. With Overprint turned on (or if there is transparency on the page), the gray values preview as if they are on the CMYK black plate. The 2.2 gamma preview is useful if you are designing for screens. In either case the original Photoshop gray output values export to PDF unchanged unless you choose an Output Destination profile that is different than your document's CMYK profile when you export.

    You can't rely on your inkjet or laser printer for an accurate proof, when you settle on the printer see if they can provide contract proofs.

    Mylenium
    Legend
    April 29, 2018

    Simple answer: Color management. You need to instate at least some basic form of it for consistent results.

    Mylenium