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Inspiring
October 16, 2019
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Pricing and RAW issues

  • October 16, 2019
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Hi,

Currently I use Darktable and GIMP, and to date have been happy with the results.  However, now I am moving up to high-end real estate photography and am wondering if upgrading to Adobe is worthwhile.  The following are my initial questions.

i) Can I get one month's subscription (in the UK) for free?  Then, what, it's £9.98 pm?

ii) Bringing RAW files into LR (I have a Lumix GH5), once manipulated can I export the RAWs straight into PS, and vice versa?

iii) I am not sure which method to go with yet.  Do I do a bracketed shot and the HDR blend in LR, then, say, airbrush in a window-pull once in PS?  Or colour correct my RAW files in LR, export to PS and through a combination of masks, etc., manually blend in PS?  Or some other combination/method?

iv) Anything else you feel worth considering?  Any tools available in Adobe's combination not available in what I'm using presently?

 

Thank you,

 

DC

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    Legend
    October 18, 2019

    i) After the 12 months do things just roll on?  In other words, I can then cancel anytime without penalties?  As for LR, I’m really not keen on Cloud-based working, preferring to keep it on my desktop."

    The subscriptions renew each year for another full year's committment. If you want a cancel-any-time option, they do offer that, but it costs more per month. 

    Inspiring
    October 18, 2019

    Hi Dave, when your last response came up (at least at my end) all I saw was the first line, but not the following explanation.  Thank you, and now I have edited my response here accordingly.  Half are green pixels? - that's interesting.  Does this mimic the human eye?  I remember watching a colour theory documentary where it stated that in evolution terms the blue cones in our eyes were the last develop.  Anyways, coming back, so my Panasonic RAW is opened up in LR in one of two ways?  Do I get to choose?  Does it matter?  Are there adavantages/disadvantes to either?  Then, and this is the crux for me, in principle (accepting the technicalities of it all) once I start work on the RAW files, doing whatever along the way, and jumping back and forth between LR and PS, I stay working on the RAW files, until final export to, say, JPEG?  Thinking this through, I may be including composites that contain JPEGs - but then, somehow, all this is taken into account?

    Inspiring
    October 17, 2019

    Thank you, thought the RAW answer somehow went over my head. So, to start again, I shoot on a Panasonic GH5 in RAW. I bring these into LR for colour correction, etc. - am I thus now working with the Pansonic RAW file, or has a conversion taken place to Adobe RAW?  If the latter, is it this that travels back and forth across apps until my final export to, say, JPEG?  Or if I choose, which RAW is better, and why?

    davescm
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    October 17, 2019

    Hi

    There is no Adobe Raw file.

    Your raw file, from your camera, cannot be viewed directly. It consists of some metadata and three greyscale images - one representing the Red camera pixels (1/4 of your cameras pixels), a second representing the Blue (1/4 of your camera's pixels) and the third representing the green (1/2 your camera's pixels).
    That raw file is opened by a raw convertor (be that Lightroom or Adobe Camera Raw - both can convert raw files and both use the same internal engine to convert them). The conversion process combines those separate files and outputs a channel for Red, one for Blue and one for Green each with the full number of pixels. This process is known as de-mosaicing or de-Bayering. The process also involves some adjustments such as exposure, colour temperature etc. These are used in making the RGB output and are stored alongside the raw file.
    This convert/develop process leads to an RGB output that is viewed as a preview in Lightroom/ACR and can then be opened for further work in Photoshop.

     

    Dave

    Inspiring
    October 18, 2019

    Hi Dave, when your last response came up (at least at my end) all I saw was the first line, but not the following explanation.  Thank you, and now I have edited my response here accordingly.  Half are green pixels? - that's interesting.  Does this mimic the human eye?  I remember watching a colour theory documentary where it stated that in evolution terms the blue cones in our eyes were the last develop.  Anyways, coming back, so my Panasonic RAW is opened up in LR in one of two ways?  Do I get to choose?  Does it matter?  Are there adavantages/disadvantes to either?  Then, and this is the crux for me, in principle (accepting the technicalities of it all) once I start work on the RAW files, doing whatever along the way, and jumping back and forth between LR and PS, I stay working on the RAW files, until final export to, say, JPEG?  Thinking this through, I may be including composites that contain JPEGs - but then, somehow, all this is taken into account?

    davescm
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    October 17, 2019

    Hi
    On the first question , I'm not sure - I've never cancelled. I'll try and find out.
    On the others:
    ii Raw files come from our cameras. The are a set of greyscale images none of which represents the whole colour image. That is why we need a raw convertor to convert them to an RGB file and  read them. Lightroom has a convertor, and Adobe Camera Raw is another convertor. The two share the same engine so processing will look the same in either. Lightroom stores its edits with the Raw file as a set of instructions on how to "develop" the image. So when you reopen the file it can repeat those same instructions - but your original raw file is untouched.
    When you send a file to Photoshop you are working on the converted RGB data. So edits then need to be saved in a format that supports those edits. If you have added layers then that means PSD,PSB or TIFF.

    v. You can export a devloped raw file as a JPEG direct from Lightroom. What Lightroom does not offer is layers. That has to be done in Photoshop. Those layers saves as PSD/PSB or TIFF. You can then export a jpeg either from Pghotoshop or Lightroom

    vi Yes to both

    vii Those file formats are standard - so no superiority. Only TIFF supports 16 bits /channel and layers though.
    Never save, re-open and resave in jpeg. The compression is lossy so every cycle degrades the image

    viii Lightrooms edits are totally non destructive (they are stored alongside the file). Photoshops edits can be destructive or not depending on how you use it. As an example - if you use adjustment layers they can be reopened and changed later. If you clone parts of the image onto an empty layer then that layer can be deleted and remade later, the principle is don't change the original opened layer.

    Dave

     

    Inspiring
    October 17, 2019

    Hi Dave,

    Thank you for getting back to me.  I’m kinda excited about all this.  Can I ask for more info?

    i) After the 12 months do things just roll on?  In other words, I can then cancel anytime without penalties?  As for LR, I’m really not keen on Cloud-based working, preferring to keep it on my desktop.
    ii) The whole RAW thing is key to me. Assuming I know nothing, to begin, what is Adobe RAW?  Am I guessing that my Panasonic/Lumix RAW files are ‘converted’ to Adobe RAW, and then I can move back & forth between LR and PS, with all original data plus manipulation files (in Darktable these are .xmp files) kept updated?

     

    Other questions:

    v) further clarity on the RAW issue, can I work in RAW right up until the final moment of exporting to JPEG, etc.?
    vi) Is there a batch manipulation function in LR and/or PS?
    vii) Generally, what is the software’s engine for outputting to JPEG, TIFF or PNG?  Is this somehow a superior engine?
    viii) One thing that annoys me with GIMP is its effective destructive editing.  Once a GIMP file is saved, I cannot reopen and return to an earlier moment in the editing process; is this different in PS?

     

    Thank you,

    DC

    davescm
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    October 16, 2019

    Hi

    i. You can get a 7 day trial and the cost of the Photography plan in the UK is £9.98 per month. Note - it is a 12 month plan paid for monthly - so there are penalties if you cancel before 12 months.
    https://www.adobe.com/uk/creativecloud/photography.html

     

    ii. You can use Lightroom to develop the RAW then open it in Photoshop, or you can open directly in Photoshop which will use Adobe Camera Raw.

    iii I work as far as possible in Lightroom, raw development, global correction, local correction then use Photoshop for any cloning, masking, layered work required.

    iv . I can't comment as I'm not familiar with GIMP

     

    Note - you get access, in the Photography plan,  to two versions of Lightroom -

    a. Lightroom Classic - predominantly PC based,

    b. Lightroom predominently Cloud based.

    I use Classic, don't be fooled by the "Classic" name. It is not old, just locally based.

    Dave