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Print Settings

Explorer ,
Jul 14, 2023 Jul 14, 2023

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I have up graded my epson driver. I think this may have changed my Print Settings box. How do I get back to my original box? See screen shots.Screen Shot 2023-07-15 at 11.00.21 AM.png

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Jul 15, 2023 Jul 15, 2023

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Please explain, is that screenshot what you want? That's an Epson driver - what are you seeing now? 

Please insert a screenshot of the current driver options.

macOS native driver is quite different, maybe that’s what you have now. 

 

I hope this helps
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Jul 15, 2023 Jul 15, 2023

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Thanks Neil. I'm working on a 2015/16 imac with macOSMonterey version 12.6.7 (see attached). I cannot supply a screen shot of the previous setup because it has changed to the current setup.  The old setup gave an option to choose photo or matte. It would also bring up a list of media type e.g Epson Hot Press Natural. It also gave the AccuPhoto HD2 option. Are you saying that the current box is now standard? Is the screen shot attached the "current driver options" you have asked for?

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Jul 15, 2023 Jul 15, 2023

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In recent years, Apple, Epson, and Adobe have worked to try and improve the coordination of the macOS print code (Apple) with the printer manufacturer’s driver code (Epson) and the print code of the application doing the printing (Adobe). As a result, there are some ways that the three pieces of code are tied together, but those relationships are not obvious to most people, and are not well documented.

 

In your case, you want the AccuPhoto HD2 option (and maybe other Epson-specfic options) to be available. It is not available unless Epson has control of printer color management. If it’s not available, then in the Print dialog box, try going to the Color Matching panel and making sure Epson Color Controls is selected, to give Epson control over printer color management. When you switch back to the Printer Settings panel, Epson-specific print color controls such as AccuPhoto HD2 and Advanced B&W Photo should be available.

 

Photoshop and Epson print settings macOS 12.gif

 

Another wrinkle to this is that everything described above is available only when Color Handling is set to Printer Manages Colors in the Print dialog box in Photoshop. That gives color control over to Epson and Apple. If Color Handling is set to Photoshop Manages Colors, then color control is given to Adobe, so the above doesn’t work: In the Color Settings panel, both ColorSync and Epson Color Controls become unavailable, because Photoshop has control over print color.

 

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If you want Photoshop to take control of  print color, switch Color Handling to Photoshop Manages Colors, and make sure the correct profile is selected in the Printer Profile menu in the Print dialog box in Photoshop. Apple and Epson print color option will not be available this way.

 

If you want Apple or Epson to take control of print color, switch Color Handling to Printer Manages Colors. Then, after clicking Print Settings, switch to the Color Matching pane and choose either ColorSync or Epson Color Controls. If you want Epson printer driver features such as AccuPhoto HD2 or Advanced B&W Photo then you must select Epson Color Controls.

 

And finally…

 

…you asked about Photo or Matte. If you mean the black printer ink it uses, the Epson driver sets that according to the paper you select. If you select something like Epson Premium Photo Paper Luster, the Ink menu says Photo Black and is unselectable (dimmed). If you want to choose Hot Press Natural, the Ink menu says Matte Black and is unselectable. The reason is that Epson does not allow the other ink type to be used for that paper type.

 

Now, if you select some other papers, such as Plain Paper, then the Ink menu does let you choose between Photo Black or Matte Black. So whether you get a choice between Photo Black and Matte Black depends on what the Epson printer driver allows.

 

If you are not able to choose Hot Press Natural, it’s on the same Fine Art Paper menu as the Velvet Fine Art paper you showed in your screen shot. And that Fine Art Paper menu, as you might know, is only available if you selected a paper size that is not from the top-loading Sheet Feeder, because Epson wants those thicker papers fed through a straight paper path such as “US Letter (Manual - Rear)”, the manual rear feed slot. 

 

Epson-3880-feed-paper-ink-interaction.jpg

 

So, that’s a lot of weird details that are hard to keep straight…but that is how it works in the current Epson printer driver in recent versions of macOS and Photoshop.

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Jul 15, 2023 Jul 15, 2023

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Gosh! This is a very comprehensive answer thank you Conrad. It has never crossed my mind to print with anything other than Photoshop Manages Colors. I have now printed three variations on Hot Press Natural : Photoshop manages Colors, Printer Manages Color and Epson Standard (sRGB). the two last settings dont appear to have a space for seting the type of fine art paper I'm using e.g. Hot Press Natural. The Epson Standard setting gives the truest colours. I do use manual rear for fine art paper but as you see from my screen shot this only brings up three generic choices. Am I doing something wrong?

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Jul 16, 2023 Jul 16, 2023

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I am not sure. When I use the same settings, I see what looks like the full range of papers there (see below).

 

Photoshop-Epson-A4-Manual-Rear-Hot-Press-Natural.jpg

 

The only ideas I have are to do with the version of the Epson printer driver, and the way it was installed. I can tell you that I am running the 3880 printer driver from the installer listed on the Epson web site as SP3880_1262_AM.dmg dated October 31, 2022. This shows up in both Epson Printer Utility 4 and macOS as printer driver version 10.90.

 

In addition, when I added my printer to macOS 12, it offers two options: Bonjour and Epson TCPIP. I forget if it’s supposed to make any difference which one you choose, but I noticed that I installed the Bonjour version and your printer name says IP at the end. If you wanted to look into that, you could go into System Preferences / Printers & Scanners and add a second instance of the Epson 3880 the other way, and see if more papers get listed when you select that printer. (Bonjour is an Apple name for a network protocol that helps devices discover each other.)

 

macOS-Add-Printer-Eopson-3880-Bonjour-vs-IP.jpg

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Jul 17, 2023 Jul 17, 2023

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Thank you Conrad. The closest print to the original screen image, one I was happy with, was with the Color Mode set to EPSON standard (sRGB). However there was no where on the Print or Print Setup boxes that gives a chance to mention the specific photographic paper chosen - just the generic Velvet Fine Art paper. In your reply you show a screen shot of how my computer used to be prior to down loading the the latest printer driver. My Driver Version is 12.62. I've always used Photoshop Manages Colors but overtime found I had to crank up the the color saturation to get a print close to the original. I guess I'm confused as to how I got a good print using EPSON standard (sRGB) when there was no provision for entering the kind of paper used, other than Velvet Fine Art Paper.

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Jul 15, 2023 Jul 15, 2023

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It looks like the other two screen shots are from a manual that was printed many years ago, because the style of the Print dialog box in the manual is from an older version of macOS. It has not looked that way in macOS in recent years. Based on the printer name in your screen shots, if those pages are from the Epson Stylus Pro 3880 manual, that printer (which I also use) was first released 14 years ago in 2009, when Macs ran Mac OS X 10.6.

 

Did you also update macOS recently, and did the macOS Print dialog box look different after that? Because the style of the Print dialog box in your first screen shot looks like how it was in the versions up through macOS 12. In the current version, macOS 13 Ventura, Apple updated the Print dialog box design again. So in any Mac running macOS 13, the Epson printer options now look like this:

 

Photoshop-Epson-macOS-13.jpg

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Jul 15, 2023 Jul 15, 2023

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Thank you Conrad. Yes, you are right about the screen shots being from an old manual. Yes I did update recently and the printer dialog box has changed to the one shown in your screen shot. So this is standard and I have no need to worry, right?

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Jul 18, 2023 Jul 18, 2023

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@jon bovey I agree Jon, you'll get used to it - this makes good sense as that looks like the current Epspon interface to me 

 

I hope this helps
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