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New Here ,
Nov 16, 2021 Nov 16, 2021

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I have an iMac and have a Epson ET 2750 printer.

I am trying to print very small and fine decals on glossy paper.

Everything looks nice in PS but prining is really bad the clours are dark and some of the detail is lost.

I tried printing through AI but it was even worse. The printer dialog does not let me see its clolour management screen. I am assuming that PS is handling the colours, but between PS and Epson the colours are getting lost.

Essentially have I got a sad little printer or is there something I can do from within PS to make it print what I see on the screan.

 

Thanks

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 16, 2021 Nov 16, 2021

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So, one issue you may be having is color space in Photoshop/Illustrator. Are you creating in RGB, or CMYK? The discussion on color is very deep, but if you're creating in CMYK, as most of us were taught, that may be causing your color shift. CMYK is great for offset printing, but for using a local printer (anything requiring Command+P), the printer driver looks for RGB information to convert to IT'S CMYK color space. If it sees CMYK coming in, it will often translate that information to what it thinks the RGB should be, and then output.
So, if that's the case, convert your work to RGB.

I'm unfamiliar with the printer driver for that printer, so if the issue isn't about your choice of color space, I suggest checking in with Epson as to whether they have a way for you to see color management.

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New Here ,
Nov 16, 2021 Nov 16, 2021

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Thank you for your response.

I work with RGB.

I have played around this evening and I am making all my background colours a shade or two lighter. Not what I wanted to do but it seems to work.

At least they are are all looking good on plain paper!

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 18, 2021 Nov 18, 2021

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Hi, if you are missing detail, that COULD be to do with file resolution?

Because of base head resolution, Epson printers seem to prefer a file, the resolution of which is factor of 720, so 720, 360, 240 are all good. Thinner lines (so better detail) can be achieved in print when the resolution is suited to the printer. 

 

Colour (and tonally) accurate printing is provided using three ICC profiles. Display ICC, Printer ICC and the ICC profile attached to the original image file [The "embedded Profile"]

1:

The display is measured and calibrated then an ICC display profile is made.

2:

The printed output (on the actual paper to be used) is measured and a printer ICC printer/media profile made. 

 

Once both those ICC profiles are used by an application like Photoshop, the colour is far more controlled. 

There are other conditions like environmental lighting and print illumination which play into this matching too.

Printing on plain paper is hard to control accurately, partly for the reason that plain paper is not generally very consistent - i.e. not subject to the type of quality control used in Photo or Proofing paper manufacture. This means that one day it looks great, the screen match is good - but open and use a new box of paper and the match colour goes off.

That necessitates a new printer/media ICC profile. 

SO you can see that device consistency is the friend of continuous colour output.

 

SO, colour management can help, for sure - but, with plain paper its harder to maintain accuracy. However a properly calibrated and profiled display screen and viewing of prints in good daylight will help continuity a lot. 

some further info here:

https://www.colourmanagement.net/

https://www.colourmanagement.net/the-basics/what-is-colour-management/

https://www.colourmanagement.net/advice/about-icc-colour-profiles/

 

I hope this helps
neil barstow, colourmanagement net :: adobe forum volunteer
google me "neil barstow colourmanagement" for lots of free articles on colour management
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New Here ,
Nov 18, 2021 Nov 18, 2021

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Thanks Neil,

I shall look at what the net has got to say about co-ordinating profiles.

Obviously I will need to investigate how to match to my epson.

How come no one ever talks about this when you are buying a printer...

 

Thanks

 

Rob

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 19, 2021 Nov 19, 2021

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"Printer Manages Color"

Rob, nowadays the default printer profiles might help you.

If you are using the Adobe "Printer Manages Color" along with the printer manufacturer's own inks and paper/media* 

- then this setting automatically calls upon [built in] "Epson ICC" profiles for file conversion during printing.

*[this means media which is actually listed by name in the driver software] 

 

These printer manufacturer installed ICC profiles seem to work reasonably well on their own papers.  [in your case you're looking for specifically named Epson papers which can be selected under "media" options in the Epson driver]

 

* you should see a list with proper paper names like the screen shot below [if you don't you're likely not actually using Epson's driver SW, this can easily happen on Mac when the OSX built in "Gimp Print / Gutenprint" driver (which has very basic capabilities) can interfere.]:

 

this is the media list from my Epson Stylus 4900:-

Screenshot 2021-11-19 at 11.15.20.jpg

 

I prefer the method here to "Printer Manages Color"

[both options should work, but users who take control fully like this are learning a useful process]:

 

SO:"Photoshop Manages Color"

You can also use those same Epson ICC profiles with a little more control by selecting "Photoshop Manages Color" and selecting the media profile (printer name/ media name.icc) from Photoshops "Printer Profile" list.

Here's a partial list of the Epson profiles for my printer as an example:

Screenshot 2021-11-19 at 11.36.17.jpg

 

When using "Photoshop Manages Color" its also necessary to select the right media by name in the printer driver settings - as this also affects printing, even with print driver colour management off**

**(print driver colour management should be off automatically, when using"Photoshop Manages Color"). 

 

None of this is likely to give a good match to an un-calibrated un-profiled display screen though. 

It will enable more accurate printing of existing images as long as there have not been altered on an uncalibrated system.

 

Taking your own image edits out of the question for now and printing this testimage (which has 'memory colours' that naturally "look" right (or wrong) would be a place to start

https://www.colourmanagement.net/downloads/CMnet_Pixl_AdobeRGB_testimage05.zip

 

We also provide this as kit an option for users who want to be sure on system accuracy  http://www.colourmanagement.net/products/icc-profile-verification-kit

 

I hope this helps
neil barstow, colourmanagement net :: adobe forum volunteer
google me "neil barstow colourmanagement" for lots of free articles on colour management
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Community Beginner ,
Nov 25, 2021 Nov 25, 2021

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Thank you again Neil, 

much of what you say has gone over my head (I dont understand the technicality) 

However I have just been in touch with EPSON and the printer I have (ET-2750) will not print decals anyway! it seems that no Epson really will because they do not produce the right sort of paper. They recommend their higher end Photo printers!

This seems a bit mad.

So if you (or anyone) can give any recommendations on a sound machine that will print decals that would be great!

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