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Screen & colour calibration

  • January 21, 2017
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Hello

I'm looking for expert advice about screen and colour calibration.  I appreciate this is an endless topic but I'm fed up with photos looking drastically different between Photoshop and the exported versions.  Even between the standard Photo Viewer and the enlarged PV they look very different colour-wise.

I have a Lenovo W541 and have used the inbuilt colour calibration tool - but maybe I shouldn't? 

I want to take and make photos that pop but I'm struggling. 

Then photos that I want to share look great on my screen but awful on others...

Help please!

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    Correct answer Benjamin Root

    Rose NW wrote:

    Thanks, that's helpful. The annoying this is when you end up editing to what looks good on your monitor not what looks good in Photoshop?

    The monitor, if calibrated properly, will display correctly (or at least within the capability of the monitor).

    If something seems off, you can always preform a fresh calibration. It's good to recalibrate once a month or so anyway. Make sure your monitor has been on for at least 30 minutes before calibration.

    Other than that, you should be set. The images will display differently on other programs lacking color managment, as well as other computers and devices which aren't color managed.

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    D Fosse
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    January 21, 2017

    Rose NW wrote:

    I appreciate this is an endless topic but I'm fed up with photos looking drastically different between Photoshop and the exported versions

    It's not an endless topic at all.

    Applications with color management, and applications without, will never display identically. Assuming all icc profiles (document and display) are present and correct, the former are right and the latter wrong.

    End of topic. It really is that simple.

    So what applications, exactly, are you viewing with? Windows "Photos", for example, is not color managed, while "Windows Photo Viewer" is.

    For Photoshop to display entirely correctly, it requires a monitor profile that describes the monitor's actual behavior in detail. This is what a calibrator will make. If the profile is inaccurate, Photoshop will display inaccurately. And if the profile is outright defective (which happens), different color managed applications may react differently.

    Rose NWAuthor
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    January 21, 2017

    Ah, that's explains the difference between Photos and Photo Viewer, thanks.

    I attached screenshots of my monitor's colour management in another reply.

    Benjamin Root
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    January 21, 2017

    Well, Rose, a couple things here.

    First off, not all programs are color managed, so you need to trust the color managed program such as Photoshop. Where you need to become concerned would be significant color shifts between color managed programs, say Photoshop and Lightroom/Camera Raw. That usually indicates a corrupt monitor profile.

    Second, while your screen may be calibrated to the standard, most regular folks don't have a calibrated monitor. Each is going to be different - some may be close, others way off.

    Third, the built-in hardware calibrator will do an acceptable job (although not as good as a dedicated unit). That said, the laptop monitor itself may not be up to the job. Not all displays are created equal.

    Now, all that said, have you used the color calibrator? You'll actually have to do the process yourself - it's not done automatically. To calibrate, type "Pantone Color" into Cortana and open the Pantone Color Calibrator.

    Rose NWAuthor
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    January 21, 2017

    Thanks, that's helpful.  The annoying this is when you end up editing to what looks good on your monitor not what looks good in Photoshop?

    Benjamin Root
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    Legend
    January 21, 2017

    Rose NW wrote:

    Thanks, that's helpful. The annoying this is when you end up editing to what looks good on your monitor not what looks good in Photoshop?

    The monitor, if calibrated properly, will display correctly (or at least within the capability of the monitor).

    If something seems off, you can always preform a fresh calibration. It's good to recalibrate once a month or so anyway. Make sure your monitor has been on for at least 30 minutes before calibration.

    Other than that, you should be set. The images will display differently on other programs lacking color managment, as well as other computers and devices which aren't color managed.

    Mylenium
    Legend
    January 21, 2017

    I have a Lenovo W541 and have used the inbuilt colour calibration tool - but maybe I shouldn't?

    Maybe you should, but with correct procedures? It's hard to figure out what is actually going wrong. Some of the pertinent questions would therefore be:

    • What color profile did you/ do you use.
    • Was the monitor "neutral" (factory defaults with no color profiles) when you started calibrating it?
    • Was the monitor running long enough to be evenly lit 8at least half an hour)?
    • Is there any form of multi-screen setup or multiple GPUs?
    • Are there any graphics-card specific color tweaks?
    • Is there any GPU acceleration involved anywhere?
    • What are your proof preview and color profile settings in PS?

    Based on my experiences with this recurring subject my gut feeling tells me that perhaps you are using some form of calibration, but not properly setup your proof in PS and some secondary issues like hardware accelerated UI handling in your operating system may be part of the problem, too.

    Mylenium

    Rose NWAuthor
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    January 21, 2017

    In answer to your questions:

    1. See attached screenshots.

    2. Yes, it was calibrated from factory defaults.

    3. Yes

    4. No

    5. No

    6. Can you explain this a bit more?

    7. I use sRGB IEC61966-2.1.

    Can you also explain about hardware accelerated UI handling?