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Smart Object Pixelation Issues

Explorer ,
Mar 13, 2014 Mar 13, 2014

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Hi,

Why is it that some logos I bring into Photoshop as smart objects look fine while others look pixelated? Is there anything I can do to improve that?

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Mar 15, 2014 Mar 15, 2014
Select the Smart Object layer, start a Free Transform (dont actually change the transform), and in the options bar turn on antialiasing, then commit the transform (again, without changing anything but the antialiasing checkbox).

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Mar 14, 2014 Mar 14, 2014

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More information? Are the logos vector or pixel, what are their dimensions, …?

What is your Image Interpolation setting?

Could you please post screenshots to illustrate the issue?

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Explorer ,
Mar 14, 2014 Mar 14, 2014

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Hi,

It's actually that logo you were helping me with in my other post aout trying to replicate effects.

Thanks.

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Mar 14, 2014 Mar 14, 2014

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Smart Object Layers are resized using interpolation even if the embedded object is a vector graphic.  Photoshop also  match the logo being place in to the document print resolution to maintain the size of the logo.   If you create your logo document large in print size with a high resolution DPI.  Your place logo should look sharp. If your default Photoshop interpolation is set to Bicubic Automatic or Bicubic sharper it may get over sharpened.    If you create your logo document small in print size with a low DPI like 72 when you scale it up onto a print size document the Logo will become soft to to point being out of focus.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/3498406#3498406

Smart object layer resized three ways and masked together

http://www.mouseprints.net/old/dpr/3000x2000.jpg

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Mar 14, 2014 Mar 14, 2014

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That's not a vector logo - that's a raster file.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Mar 14, 2014 Mar 14, 2014

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I know not what his AI created  logo is by the time he get it into to Photoshop. I know the op posted a png but have no idea of what was in the document the png was saved from. Only a few file types are displayed by browsers layered Tiff, PSD and PSB files are not.   My post show how Smart Object layers with all vector embedded object works in Photoshop.

Smart Object layers are transform using interpolation like raster layer for its the pixels rendered for the layer that get interpolated by the transform by Photoshop .  However if you open the embedded object in Photoshop and resize the object using Image Size instead of transforming the Smart Object Layer the resize is done using vector graphics.  As my posted composite jpeg shows

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Mar 14, 2014 Mar 14, 2014

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The AI has always been a vector smart object.

However if you open the embedded object in Photoshop and resize the object using Image Size instead of transforming the Smart Object Layer the resize is done using vector graphics.

I'm sorry but I don't understand why I would want to resize the smart object using image size. Wouldn't that degrade the image if it's scaled up?

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Mar 15, 2014 Mar 15, 2014

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I do not have AI. If the smart object is and AI object I would think that if you double click on the layer's smart object icon that the embedded object would open in AI for updating. Like clicking on and embedded RAW file open in ACR where Photoshop objects like layer groups, layers, shape would be open in Photoshop.  You would then use the tools in the program that the embedded object open in to resize the embedded object.  I do not know what tools AI has for resizing vectors. I would think most of  AI tools would be vector tools.

Image size in Photoshop resizes shape and text layers using vectors where other pixel type layers are resized using interpolation,  Smart Object Layers pixels are interpolated if you resize using  Transform in Photoshop.  The layers embedded objects are not resize independently instead the composite pixels rendered for the objects is what is resized by Photoshop.

Also if your default Photoshop Preference Interpolation is set to Bicubuc Automatic or Bicubic Sharper.  Smart objects may be over sharpened to a point where the jaggies set in.  Adobe default setting is Bicubic Automatic is not a good setting IMO.

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Explorer ,
Mar 15, 2014 Mar 15, 2014

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Yes, to edit smart objects in AI when you double click on them in PS they take you back into AI to edit. Once saved, you go back into PS with the newly edited Smart Object updated. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, that's why I was confused you suggsted editing the smart object by playing with image size.

What would you recommend as a good setting for Image Interpolation? Nearest Neighbor seems to make no difference.

Thanks JJ!

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Mar 15, 2014 Mar 15, 2014

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I just set mine to Bicubic.Capture.jpg

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Mar 15, 2014 Mar 15, 2014

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Thanks, but it made no difference changing to these preferences.

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Select the Smart Object layer, start a Free Transform (dont actually change the transform), and in the options bar turn on antialiasing, then commit the transform (again, without changing anything but the antialiasing checkbox).

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Mar 15, 2014 Mar 15, 2014

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Thanks Chris! It worked! No more pixelation. Should that now fix it permanently?

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No, but that will fix it everytime you turn off antialiasing when placing vector data and forget about doing so.

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Mar 15, 2014 Mar 15, 2014

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Ok. Thanks!

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New Here ,
Aug 10, 2015 Aug 10, 2015

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Chris, thanks for the info about the Anti-Alias checkbox when transforming smart objects. This seems like it would fix the same issue that Im having as the original poster, HOWEVER, my Anti-Alias checkbox is greyed out and cannot be clicked. Am I missing a step?

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New Here ,
Jan 25, 2021 Jan 25, 2021

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Hi, I am having the issue of my Anti-Alias checkbox being greyed out too, but don't see the post on how to fix it. Is there an answer?

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New Here ,
Sep 09, 2018 Sep 09, 2018

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thanx alot my friend

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Jul 30, 2021 Jul 30, 2021

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Dude, you're absolutely amazing, thank you so much for this. I almost had a nervous breakdown last night because I couldn't figure out what was going on. Such a simple fix too. Thank you so much for sharing your expertise 

 

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Explorer ,
Mar 14, 2014 Mar 14, 2014

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By logo document do you mean the original .AI logo file or the file you're importing the smart object into?

The image I'm working with was originally 696 x 485 px @ 144 dpi (got it off the internet) and is not a large file. The AI file was made in CMYK color mode. Here is the image with the logo placed as a smart object with no scaling, so in theory it should be large enough for there not to be pixelation...yet as you can see there is around the edges. So imagine what it's like when it's scaled down.

What do you suggest I do?

Thanks!

grand-award-winning-store-(3).jpg

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Either that's a low res bitmap, or you have a vector smart object (PDF, EPS, AI) and have antialiasing turned off.

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Mar 14, 2014 Mar 14, 2014

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It's a vector smart object. Copy and pasted straight from Illustrator AI file. How do I turn anti-aliasing back on? Do you think that will resolve the problem?

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Mar 15, 2014 Mar 15, 2014

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What is your Photoshop > Preferences > General > Image Interpolation setting?

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Mar 15, 2014 Mar 15, 2014

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Bicubic Automatic.

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Mar 15, 2014 Mar 15, 2014

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Bicubic Automatic I believe uses Bicubid Sharper when its down sizing.  IMO the does not work well when what is being resized is very sharp and crisp to begin with. Sharpening artifacts set in.

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