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This new "generative fill" (plagiarism fill) option makes me uncomfortable continuing to use PS

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June 2, 2023
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Hi!

I spend quite a bit of time every day in PhotoShop, for a whole host of reasons. Creating art pieces, making promo work, logos, touching up a resume, actually working on simple photos...all kinds of things! It's got it's ups & downs, ins & outs, but I love it much more than any of the alternatives.

This new "AI" tool, where it takes stolen "training data" & fills a bunch of stuff in by remixing the stolen art, is making me reconsider using PS. If this is the future, I want out. If it's going to use my work to "generate" stuff for other people, I want out.

PS & Adobe used to be a company, or so I thought, that supported human creativity. These sorts of tools undermine human creativity on several fronts.

Is this the direction Adobe is going? Hopping onto the digital plagiarism roller coaster & working to wipe out real art?

Why? & how can I make sure nothing I make ever ends up stolen as "training data" for Adobe?

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Correct answer Trevor.Dennis

You can uncheck the Contextual Task Bar at the bottom of the Windows menu.

As for your crazed plagiarism rant, do you realise that the Ai generated content is derived from Adobe Stock library? That means images that the ownerscontributed willingly for other people to use. Professional content creators use stock images for convenience, time saving, and because it is invariably cheaper than photographing every image element they need for their projects. It's entirely up to every one of us whether we chose to use it.

WizWorldLIVEAuthor

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I don't want plagiarism fill, I don't want plagiarism expand, I don't want a new "context toolbar" that encourages me to use the plagiarism features. How do I turn it all off? Is there any way to just...make PS never ever bring up its plagiarism features? I really hate this. They're gonna have to take it all back out in a year anyway after this stuff flops in court. Why do they insist on pushing it on everybody?

Trevor.Dennis

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You can uncheck the Contextual Task Bar at the bottom of the Windows menu.

As for your crazed plagiarism rant, do you realise that the Ai generated content is derived from Adobe Stock library? That means images that the ownerscontributed willingly for other people to use. Professional content creators use stock images for convenience, time saving, and because it is invariably cheaper than photographing every image element they need for their projects. It's entirely up to every one of us whether we chose to use it.

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Pritish312353031uav

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You can try adobe firefly

WizWorldLIVEAuthor

Inspiring

I don't want to try Adobe Firefly, that's what I'm talking about in the original post. It's all plagiarism.

jane-e

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@WizWorldLIVE

Adobe is taking an ethical approach. Here are a few articles that you might consider:

From Adobe

https://www.adobe.com/about-adobe/aiethics.html

This page has several links, including:

"If you have a question about AI ethics or want to report a possible AI ethics issue, please contact us."

Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-adobes-ethics-committee-helps-manage-ai-bias-11620261997

How Adobe’s Ethics Committee Helps Manage AI Bias

PetaPixel

https://petapixel.com/2023/03/27/adobe-firefly-is-way-behind-is-the-commitment-to-ethics-to-blame/

"Last week, Adobe made waves by announcing the beta release of its new text-to-image generative artificial intelligence (AI) model, Firefly. Adobe says its new platform wasn’t built using stolen images, but rather, as Adobe boasts, Firefly has been trained using Adobe Stock images, openly licensed content, and public domain content. Adobe is Building Its AI Model in The Right Way It’s an admirable way to build an AI platform, especially in the face of competing models that are built using stolen and unauthorized content.'

Jane

WizWorldLIVEAuthor

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I realize they are using the term "ethical," but to me, there is nothing ethical about this kind of tool. If it's making something by taking humans' work & spitting out a pale imitation of it, that's not ethical, regardless of whether they technically have persmission for the training data they use—though I'm sure most people uploading to Adobe Stock never intended for their work to be misused in this way.

jane-e

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I've used generative fill to extend an image wider or taller and found it to do a decent, but not perfect job. The grout in the pavement didn't come through. I watched Terry White use it to remove glare from eyeglasses and make a photo a little wider or taller to "reveal" a shoulder or shoes that were never in the original photo. And although I know other ways to remove tourists from a landmark, but this will be faster.

You answered quickly, so you may not have read the articles yet. Be sure to follow the link to comment to Adobe.

On the Beta forum, there are a few folks complaining that generative fill is too restrictive. I'm finding out by reading that there is a lot of stuff that it refuses to do.

Jane

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Austin27542330tcjj

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Generative fill uses training data from Adobe Stock, and creative commons images according to their press releases.

Since by submitting images to Adobe Stock you essentially sign over the rights, and creative commons are free use, what exactly is being "stolen"?

WizWorldLIVEAuthor

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I really doubt most people taking the time to upload things to AS were doing so with the intent of letting Adobe make it so people didn't use their work at all. Sure, it's technically allowed, but it's not a purpose that was envisioned nor intended. And it's not like the tool gives credit when it spits out the garbled rehash. It's stealing, even if they have a loophole that allows it.

I also don't really trust Adobe to only use AS & CC.0 work in the future. Companies don't tend to become satisfied with just a little bit of overreach.

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