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October 10, 2022
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Warmer colors in Photoshop with Macbook Pro

  • October 10, 2022
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Hi everyone!
The problem I'm having is the photos appear in slightly warmer colors than the original image.
So it's not just about exporting, but directly viewing the image.
The same problem happens when using Lightroom.


- Macbook Pro 15 inch from 2015
- macOS Monterey, version 12.6 (latest)
- GP: Intel Iris Pro
- Photoshop version 23.5.1 (latest)
- Lightroom version 5.5 (latest)

 

The images I am working with have color profile Adobe RGB (1998), my working space is sRGB, when I open the image I select: "keep embedded profile", when exporting I select "Embed color profile" and "Convert to sRGB" .
I state that I have already read the thousands of threads here on the forum, but I cannot solve the problem in any way.
I have tried all the solutions but I don't understand what the cause is, I would like to understand first if it is a "problem", or simply the image is improved.
I did the same test with a windows pc, and the colors are kept the same, even when converted to sRGB.
I leave here 2 screens where you can directly see the difference between the 2 images, where the original is colder, while the open and exported one is warmer. And other screens with working settings.


Thanks to those who can help me!

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Correct answer TheDigitalDog

Yes in this case looks like Preview cannot display colours correctly. I would not use it in the workflow.


I see a tiny visual difference in Preview of the three at 100% zoom. 

In Photoshop, the two JPEGs appear identical. In fact, if I use the Apply Image command to subtract them, they are pixel-for-pixel identical. 

I suppose I could make a screen capture from Preview of the two outlines and provide a deltaE (difference) report, but it's tiny and somewhat insignificant on this end. I don't know why Preview is having this issue, but Apple hasn't been as thorough in dealing with color management issues in the past few years, sadly. That Safari and Preview don't match indicates an Apple 'bug' (issue). 

The ColorSync Utility is also an Apple application you can test. It may or may not match Preview, and this CS utility has been even more buggy than others from Apple, so I don't expect good results. 

Bottom line is, Photoshop, Safari, and others are working correctly. And when others (at least Preview) aren't, the visual differences are really tiny. Preview or data? That can be analyzed with some work. But in the end, without Apple making an effort, it's kind of moot. 

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TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
October 10, 2022

Here's what 'proofing' (Soft Proofing) does:

http://digitaldog.net/files/SoftProofingInPhotoshopCC.mp4

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Known Participant
October 10, 2022

@D Fosse

Now I understand what you mean by "proofing turned on".

 

I checked and it is disabled. (proof_01_disabled.png).

However, if I activate it, I have noticed that the image I am displaying is exactly identical to CMYK. (proof_02_default cmyk.png).

If I try to put it on sRGB I see the correct colors. (proof_03_rgb.png).
If I turn it off, I see the warmer starting colors.

 

How can I see the sRGB colors as in the activated proof, but having it deactivated?

 

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
October 10, 2022

Preview on Mac is color managed and should match Photoshop exactly. Do view BOTH at 100% (1:1) to compare, not zoomed out! 

If you have Lightroom Classic, again, you can compare the image to Photoshop in the Develop module and again at 1:1. They should match exactly. If not, we need to look into possible GPU issues or display profile corruption. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
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October 10, 2022

Hi @D Fosse!
Thanks for answering me.

 

Exactly, in the Photoshop image there is more red and therefore warmer.

 

What exactly do you mean by "except that you have Proof turned on in Photoshop. There's no need for that, so turn that off and check again. Sometimes proof tables are a bit off." ?

 

For the display, this is the system default display profile: Color LCD.
As I said above, I tried to recalibrate it by bringing the white point to D 6,500 (the default white point was D 6,509).
I did the same thing by trying another display color profile sRGB IEC61966-2.1, tried exports and various activities but nothing changed.

 

How do I know which monitor color profile an app is using?

It often happens that I attach myself to another monitor, but I did the tests anyway having only one display and the result is always the same: more red.

 

What I do not explain is whether doing a conversion from Adobe RGB 1998 to sRGB is correct that the image becomes warmer, even if this situation had never happened to me before.

D Fosse
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 10, 2022

Yes, the Photoshop screenshot does look a little redder than the Preview screenshot.

 

Preview is color managed, and should display identically to Photoshop. If it doesn't, something in the color management chain isn't working as it should. When two color managed applications disagree, the prime suspect is always the monitor profile.

 

I can't see anything wrong with your settings or setup - except that you have Proof turned on in Photoshop. There's no need for that, so turn that off and check again. Sometimes proof tables are a bit off.

 

I'd recalibrate/reprofile the display in any case. Are you using a calibrator, or is this the system default display profile?

 

Another possibility is that color management is working, but one of the apps is using the wrong monitor profile. That can happen in a dual display setup, especially if one of them is an integrated display (e.g. MBP/iMac).

 

Known Participant
October 10, 2022

If it can be useful

- I also attach here the jpg file with the original image from which I started: img_00.jpg

- and the image exported for the web: img_01.jpg

 

What I would like to understand is if:

  • I have the color profile of the broken monitor (I recently changed the SSD and updated the whole system and the various Adobe applications, and I see poorly the colors of the images even on Adobe XD, by "I see badly" I mean that I see the images without built-in color profile).
  • or if I see everything well, and the image I see in photoshop is correct and what happens in the export is an "adjustment" of the image, even if I doubt it is so.

 

I would like to involve @D Fosse, if possible, to find out what he thinks of it since I have seen many similar situations resolved.

 

Known Participant
October 10, 2022

Hi @Test Screen Name!

 

The app I use to view the original, exported jpg file is Preview (macOs).
I also tried with a browser (eg. Google Chrome) and the result is the same, even knowing that the browser does not manage the color profiles.

 

Details of the attached screens:

  • img_00: original image, displayed with Preview (macOs)
  • img_01: image exported from Photoshop, visualized with Preview (macOs) (I visualize the same thing opening the image with PS)
  • ps-settings_01: original image, opened in Photoshop (with color Adobe RGB 1998)
  • ps-settings_02: "color settings" dialog - Photoshop
  • ps-settings_03: "convert to profile" dialog - Photoshop


I have read about similar problems HERE: the difference is that in the other cases it happened on Windows and not on Macbook.
I tried to recalibrate the color profile of the screen, both color LCD and sRGB, but nothing changes (by recalibrating the white on D 6.500, the original white point is D 6.509).

Legend
October 10, 2022

You say the exported file is warmer than the original. This may be to do with the apps used.

- What is the app used to view the original (which you consider correct)

- Then you view it in Photoshop and it seems wrong, I think you say.

- Now you save the file and the result is incorrect, What app is used now to view it?

Also, please tell us what each of the screen shots shows us, what app (where the app title isn't shown) and what system. It's often MUCH harder for people who didn't create the image to see the problems or know what is right.