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April 1, 2024
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What should I look for in a new monitor?

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What should I look for in a new monitor for Photoshop CC and Lightroom Classic?

 

Several MIR submisssions have not received a merit recently and the main reason given in the critiques is because of banding.  I'm not seeing any banding on my monitor, and I'm wondering if it has something to do with my processing workflow or my screen. 

 

I usually do some basic edits in Lightroom, then switch to Photoshop if I need to do more, and then save as a tif docu,emt.  I go back to Lightroom Classic to export a JPG for MIR.  I'm on a Dell workstation with the i9 Intel processor.

 

I calibrate my monitor, but am looking to purchase a new one.   What should I look for?

 

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Conrad_C
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April 10, 2024

There are a lot of recommendations here for Eizo ColorEdge displays, and from everything I've heard and read, if I had one, I would probably be very happy with it for Photoshop and Lightroom.

 

But unlike many of us here, you said you need it to produce images that are accepted for MIR. I had no idea what that means and had never heard of that term before, so I looked it up. Is this MIR as in Medical Image Retrieval (and not MRI)? Have the people you submit to given you specific requirements for a display? Because when I do web searches on medical displays, there seem to be technical requirements that need to support certain medical workflows and compliance. Like certain luminance ranges, gamma curves, and so on, depending on the standard being met.

 

And the thing about medical imaging is, the same company we are talking about, Eizo, is very active specializing in vertical industrial markets. Eizo has an entire section of their website devoted to displays designed specifically for medical imaging. Are you able to ask any of your colleagues if they have used or are familiar with the medical imaging displays in the Eizo line, if they would be more suitable for editing the images you need to produce, or if they recommend another company? Here are a couple of links on the Eizo website that I was looking at.

 

Eizo Medical Imaging Solutions

RadiForce Medical Monitors

 

One display’s description says stuff like “…monochrome images such as CT, MRI and X-ray are displayed in the ideal grayscale that corresponds to DICOM Part 14, while color images such as 3D rendering, nuclear medicine, ultrasound and endoscopy are faithfully reproduced corresponding to Gamma 2.2.”

 

I know nothing about medical imaging, but this seems to be important, because although many of us here are familiar with what makes a good display for creative digital imaging, I don’t think there are many discussions here about displays that need to meet requirements for vertical niches in different technical industries such as health care.

davescm
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April 12, 2024

It would be useful if the OP clarified MIR. I read it as submissions to the publication Mechanics Institute Review 

Dave

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April 12, 2024
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April 5, 2024

@vleo512 As others have mentioned if you have the budget an Eizo Coloredge screen is worth the expense. Then even appearance and 5 years warranty means it's not perhaps as expensive as it seems.

 

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Legend
April 5, 2024

Unless you have a special need for ta Eizo Coloredge and most do not would look for something more practical.  Consider what you would use the monitor for. Would upsize for something in the screen size >31 inch. BenQ built some good monitors  a few years ago. Suggest researching before purchase. 

D Fosse
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April 5, 2024
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Suggest researching before purchase.


By @westdr1dw

 

The problem with that is that the things that really matter aren't in the specs. Panel uniformity, shadow and highlight separation, accurate tone curve, the ability to precisely calibrate to any white point and black point for a perfect screen to print match. Those are the really important things, and none of it can be found in the specifications!

 

There really isn't much help in research. Judging by the specs, a Dell is as good as a top-end Eizo. Rest assured, it's not (again, refer to the photo in my first post above).

 

If you're part of a production chain where your work is passed on to others, you really need to know exactly what you're passing on. The only thing that can tell you that is the monitor. That makes the monitor the single most critical component in your system. We all have a budget, but the monitor should be a major priority right from the start.

 

 

Legend
April 2, 2024

A major factor to consider especially when upgrading a computer is to buy what you can afford. A monitor is one component of the system you may only need to buy once. Therefore should be the highest quality you can afford or need based on your requirements. A new motherboard, CPU, and RAM you replace ~5 years. A new monitor buy once. 

D Fosse
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April 2, 2024

Banding happens because of insufficient bit depth. It sounds like you're working in 8 bits?

 

In addition, jpeg compression can introduce color banding on its own, because the color component is more aggressively compressed than the luminance component. It's not usually a problem as long as you keep working in 16 bits up until the jpeg save, but it can still show in smooth gradients, especially synthetic gradients created in Photoshop.

 

As for the monitor, you want one with even color and brightness across the entire screen, from corner to corner. Over the years I've been pretty shocked at how even quite costly monitors can look like this:

This is something they can get away with because there's no parameter for it in the spec sheet.

 

You also want a 10 bit capable monitor with true hardware calibration. This means the calibration is performed internally in the monitor's own processor, in high bit depth, securing an absolute even output to a 10 bit panel. This eliminates any on-screen banding.

 

For photography, you don't need 4K. It can even be a disadvantage, because you really need to get a feel for the pixel structure of the image at 100% view. You need this to properly assess sharpness and noise. In my experience, the ideal size and resolution is 27 inch at 2560 x 1440 pixels. You can go down to 24 inch at 1920 x 1200 if you have a secondary screen.

 

4K is more of an advantage with vector data and text, in apps like Illustrator and InDesign.

 

The only really safe bet is still Eizo. People say they're expensive, but that's a misunderstanding. It's the other brands that are cheap. They compete by price, and cutting corners to cut the price is common (as per the photo above). With Eizo you get exactly what you pay for. NEC also used to make high quality monitors, but they seem to have discontinued their Spectraview line.

 

The Eizo CS series is the best value for money on the market. The CS 2731 is about $1300, the CS 2400 under $1000. They are both excellent. Just make sure you get the edition that has ColorNavigator software included. It supports all calibration sensors available.

davescm
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April 2, 2024

I support everything D Fosse says above. I have two CS2731 monitors here and they are excellent. I've just checked, both now have over 13,000 hours on them. In the UK they also came with a 5 year warranty.

Dave

 

D Fosse
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April 2, 2024

Yes, I have a CG 2730 at home.  At work I still use a pair of 24 inchers (CG 246 and CX 240*), both bought in 2013 and still performing as new! There's not a dead pixel on them and the calibration is dead accurate. The two screens are absolutely indistinguishable, even when I swap profiles just to check.

 

I don't know the hours, but they have been on for 8 hours a workday for those 11 years... the quality of these monitors is amazing.

 

(*the CX series was a stripped down version of the CGs, without the built in sensor and video features).

Trevor.Dennis
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April 1, 2024

Paging @D Fosse 

John Waller
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April 1, 2024

What is your budget?

 

Which monitor do you currently have and what do you normally calibrate it with?

 

Can you upload examples of your work where banding is allegedly present but you cannot see it?