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Akira369
Participant
September 13, 2023
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How to disable PS 2024 creates new layers on top of smart obj when brush on it

  • September 13, 2023
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When brush on the smate object, PS 2024 creates new layers on top of smart obj instead of ask if to rasterize layers. How to change it back? I don't need a new layer, I want to quicklly rasterize layers. Please advise.

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robertw44482386
Inspiring
September 13, 2023

I know from the beta forum that this is intentional behavioir but I find it extremely annoying and is a time suck.

Behavioir: When a intending to brush on a mask connected to a smart layer, adjustment layer, solid color layer or any other layer that cannot be painted on, but the mask layer is not currently active, a new pixel layer is created somewhere in the layer stack unbeknownst to the user and all brushstrokes are applied there.

Expected behavior: A dismissable dialog that serves to remind me to reselect the mask.

Disadvantages:

- The placement of the new layer seems arbitrary. It's not immediately above, nor is it at the top, though it always seems to land somewhere above. Occasioanlly it unclips a layer. This is a workflow disaster when it happens if not immediately noticed.

- The effect of the unintended brushstrokes may actually mimic the intended brushing on the mask (almost always true in the case of a solid color layer) causing the user to continue unaware of the new layer and its effect in the file. In a files with dozens or hunderds of layers, this is a real problem.

- The circumstance of having the mask layer not be active can itself be caused by Photoshop behavioir and not that of the user. Example: user is brushing on a layer mask whilst having a selection active, user temporarily goes into quick mask to alter the selection and then leaves quick mask. This causes the mask to be unselected. Photoshop does not return from quick mask in the same state it entered quick mask. 

Advantages: 

- Developers are intending to "reduce friction" for users who intended to brush where they could not by automatically creating a layer for them to do that. 


Proposed solution:

- Can we have a dialog box with words to the effect of "This layer is not directly editable - Create new pixel layer? or Edit mask instead?" with the familar "don't show again" checkbox at the bottom. This would reduce fritcion in both cases.


Photoshop 25.0.0
Ventura 13.5.1
Studio Max M1 2022


 

Inspiring
September 17, 2023

I agree.
This was previously announced on Twitter as a new feature in Photoshop 2023 (24.6), "Brush on a text, shape, or smart object layer for automatic layering and non-destructive editing." This was announced on Twitter, but did not actually work.
https://twitter.com/Mikako76917122/status/1671375834899451905

 

However, in Photoshop 2024, it does work, and I am very confused. Professional retouchers work with layers that are pre-processed. That's how they manage the whole process. If you create layers in unexpected places without permission, you will lose control of the process. It is not a good idea to push kindness on the user. Users should be allowed to choose whether or not to use them.