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4K and older CS4 Photoshop. Small menus.

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October 11, 2015
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Hi guys!

I was perfectly happy with my old Nikon D300, and with a older camera PS CS4 works fine for me.

Upgrading to newer camera also means upgrade to newer software, that's a huge step for me, so I been fine with what i have... Until I upgraded to a 4K monitor!

Most stuff adjusted automatically in W10, and everything looks very crisp and clear. But PS menus got so tiny, I can't se them. The roll bar menus looks right, but to find the right one requires a magnifying glass?

I red that the latest versions of PS got a setting for 200% icons. But what about us with older versions?

I been googling around, and found all kinds of fixes involving register hacks in windows, adding scripts in the PS folder, and more.. Really???

I did try some of them, but on my PC and version of software, it didn't work, so i'm stuck with a useless Photoshop CS4?

A small update for older versions from Adobe would be much appreciated.

Is/will there be a solution for this?

And NO, i don't want to upgrade to a new PS. The one I got, i payed for in full. And it would be a shame if a monitor upgrade would be the limit for Photoshop.

There is no reason why it should not adjust automatically, like most other windows programs, is there?

Any help would be much appreciated.

/Kristian.

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if you didn't find the solution I Just got my CS4 to work on WIN 10 with a 4k display. THE CS6 manifest file doesn't work on CS4 because of the .dll error.. this is the perfect solution - third party link. But this manifest worked perfectly.

[XML] photoshop CS manifest - Pastebin.com

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Archmond

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And an Even Better Solution FOR 4K Monitor + Windows 10 (I TESTED PERSONALLY)
NOTE: MAKE SURE PROGRAM IS CLOSED FIRST
1. Simply go into the "Properties" of "Adobe Photoshop CS4" Shortcut
(RIGHT CLICK ON ICON/SHORTCUT > PROPERTIES)
2. Select one of the Upper Tabs named "Compatibility"
3. Second to LAST Button should say "Change high DPI Settings" Click on it.
4. Make sure to CHECKMARK the following options:
4.1 Checkmark the first box "Use this setting to fix scaling......."

4.2 From the FIRST DROP DOWN MENU Select "I open this program."
4.3 Checkmark "Override HIGH DPI Scaling"
4.4 From the SECOND DROP DOWN MENU Select "System (Enhanced)"
5. Click "OK" and that extra window will close.
6. On the remaining window, just to be absolutely certain that the settings stick. I always Click "Apply" and "OK" one more time.

And it is Done.
It has Worked for me, Hopefully it will work for you too!
Best of Luck

Archie

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dogarmy

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Hi! I tried this method and every other method on this entire forum and unfortunately nothing has worked, not even this one. I'm trying to fix the scaling on Adobe Photoshop CS2. Should I just get a newer version? Or is there a different method for CS2? Thank You.

Trevor.Dennis

Community Expert

It's one heck of an ask to get 15 year old Photoshop version to dive a 4K monitor. Even with the current version of Photoshop, I would not chose a full 4K screen, although I guess it would be OK with Photoshop set to 200%. I personally use a 2560 X 1440 screen, but at 31 Inch to make the pixels aceptably large.

If you do a bit video then it can be an even bigger problem, with Premiere Pro of the same era not supporting modern video formats.

What I can tell you is that there is little comparison between Photoshop CS2 and the current versions. Things like selection, for instance, are breath takingly clever now. You can get a close to perfect selection with a single click or drag now. So even if you think CS2 does all you need, without knowing what you are missing, you just might be wrong.

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Anonymous

I fixed this for a friend who just got a new 4k laptop with the latest Windows software and her old version CS5.

Right-click > Properties > Compatibility > Change high DPI settings > Click on Override high DPI... and change dropdown to System. Click OK > Apply and give it a try.

JJMack

Community Expert

Yes on windows 10 there is that option. On windows 7 and 8 a register update and external manifest file can also force windows sacling on Photoshop. Unlike Adobe Photoshop Scaling both Image and Photoshop UI will be scaled.. Adobe Photoshop scaling will only scales Photoshop UI. So when you zoom to 100% you image actual pixels will be displayied with your display's high resolition, not a scaled version. If Windows scalling used you will never be viewing your image's actual pixels. You will only see the scaled image windows displays for you. The onlt time Photoshop displaye you imags actual pixels is when you zoom to 100%. That image will be scalled by Windows.

JJMack

bigj0000

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After a lot of searching on this topic I found the following simple solution so I wanted to share. Hopefully it helps you.

I am running Photoshop CS4 on a Lenovo Yoga 910 with a 14" high resolution monitor. I did the following:

1. Open the Adobe Photoshop folder (Windows C:>Program Files (x86)>Adobe>Adobe Photoshop CS4)

2. Scroll down until you see Photoshop.exe. Right Click.

3. Select Properties and then the Compatibility tab.

4. Check the box next to: Override high DPI scaling behavior.

5. From the dropdown below I selected System.

That was it. It worked great and was simple, without a registry hack.

JJMack

Community Expert

That shortcut option was in the Windows 10 Preview builds. I see it is now available in the standard Windows release.

That good....

JJMack

johnj13370678

Participant

I am also working with Photoshop CS4 on a 4k display, and experiencing the same problems. However, when I use Illustrator CS4, it displays/zooms fine. Has anyone experienced this? Why would they be different?

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Kristian_V3Author

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It was impossible for me to get anything done, so i gave up. I'm on the free trial month of CC right now.Will start paying end of January. (Probably adobes plan all along.)
But it would still be nice if this would be solved.
I'm gonna hold this against adobe to the end of days. I'm sure they could have came up with a proper solution, but they make more money this way.

Eventually I would have gone to CC anyway, now they forced me to make the transition sooner.

JJMack

Community Expert

Photoshop CC 2014 and CC 2015 has an option for 2x scaling of Photoshop's UI????? Older versions of Photoshop do not have a 2x UI option...

JJMack

Community Expert

With old version of Adobe soft the User interface was designed for displays that had a 96ppi resolution. There are 40" 4k Displays they have a 110ppi and should display Photoshop UI near the size you have been using in the past. On display size is a function of the displays ppi resolution not a function of how many pixels a display can display.

In New version of Photoshop Adobe has not changed Photoshop UI design. What Adobe has done is added a feature the will scale Photoshop UI up in size so it will display at half resolution. 4 display pixels are used for each pixel beinf displayed. in effect your 4k 3840x2160 display becomes a 1K display 1920x1080 display for Photoshop UI. This is easy to set in Photoshop system information. Here are two parts Photoshop CC 2014 system information when 2X UI is disabled and when enabled. When enabled Photoshop UI does not fit on my display for my 1K display becomes a 1/4K display.

JJMack

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Kristian_V3Author

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Thank you for the info JJMack.

I realize how the scaling works. the UI makes a square consisting of four pixels, and considers it ONE pixel. And that's exactly what i need.

To be honest, i think over ruling windows in deciding the size of everything, wasn't the brightest idea in the first place. Specially since the drop down menus seems to follow the windows scheme anyway. (The menu bar and pallets could have done as well.) But maybe that's just me?

Anyways, I don't wanna complain to much, just need to find a solution. Right now i'm in transition, moved to a smaller flat, and not sure how to set up the PC/monitors, and i'm just using my 4K TV for now. Its 55" so pixel density isn't to "dense". But i do realize that when i go 28-32" 4K I really wont be able to se the smaller menus and pallets for sure. (Right now i can get up and go closer to the TV, and every thing is still bigger than it would be if i was using my two old 1920x1200 monitors.)

It still needs to be solved before i can consider what monitor to buy.

Exept for the 1,5x crop factor, im happy with my gear, and Photoshop CS4 works OK for what i need, i really didn't se a massive investment in new software coming, upgrading to 4K monitors.

JJMack

Community Expert

You can use Windows scaling using a Registry update and an external manifest file for CS4. You can have Windows scale CS4 window 1.25X, 1.5X or 2X. where it differs compared to Adobe 2X it with the image displayed. Photoshop only scales the image with is normal zooming. It does not scale it 2x to begin with. So when you vies at 100% zoom you will see a high resolution image. With Windows scaling you will see an image scaled to a lower resolution.

Adobe 2X scaling VS Windows scaling

JJMack

khatwani

Adobe Employee

Hi kristian_v3

Greetings!!!

I completely understand your concern.

Yes that is true that it is a limitation of the older products.

As at the time when CS4 was prepared there was no idea about 4K monitors.

It was not in the concept at that time, so unfortunately that does not support it and currently there is no such update for that as well.

Yes there are some third party scripts and registry settings that are making that work but none of those are official Adobe releases.

One of the customers followed this article : http://www.danantonielli.com/adobe-app-scaling-on-high-dpi-displays-fix/ .

He was able to fix that however he was using windows 7.

Also that is a third party link not from Adobe so if you want to try please try keeping that in mind.

For the future I am not sure if there is any patch that will be released for the previous products scaling for 4k or 5k monitors.

Regards

Jitendra

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Kristian_V3Author

Participant

Thanks.

The link you posted, was the first one i red, and tried, but it didn't work. I found another one similar, with a litle longer script as well. It didnt work either.

The registry hack was the same.

Right now i got the registry hack in place, but soon as i try any of the manifest scripts, i get a error saying MSVCR80.dll cant be found, and PSCS4 won't start.

renaming the manifest-file with a ".txt" extension gets PSCS4 working, but useless to me..

I tried to update the MS runtime lib that contains the MSVCR80.dll file, but what ever i try, says i already got the latest version..

khatwani

Adobe Employee

Thanks for the reply.

I will also try to find a solution.

Regards

Jitendra

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