Using Adobe RGB (1998) for Printer

[richjhoward]

I am running X El Capitan 10.11 on my 2015 MacBook.  When I save a photo I've processed in Camera Raw and Photoshop to a tiff, the dialogue box says "Embedded Color Profile:  Adobe RGB (1998).  I would like to print the photo using Photoshop's printing and color management.  There are lots of Printer Profiles in the Photoshop print dialogue box.  But Adobe  RGB (1998) is absent.

I know I have Adobe RGB (1998) in my system.  I've seen it there and Photoshop uses it constructing the tiff.

How can I load it so that Photoshop Print-command knows it's there and lets me select it.

Thanks,

Rich Howard

[Conrad_C]

It isn't there because Adobe RGB isn't a printer profile. It doesn't match the color gamut of any CMYK ink printer.

If you are using Photoshop Manages Colors, that means you want Photoshop to translate colors from Adobe RGB  to whatever the printer colors are, using the correct printer profile. If you follow the Adobe help topic "Let Photoshop determine printer colors," which describes Photoshop-managed color printing, step 4 is "For Printer Profile, select the profile that best matches your output device and paper type." Not "choose Adobe RGB."

In my case it means choosing the profile representing the ink and paper combination in use in my Epson printer. If your printer profiles are installed correctly, they should be available in the Printer Profile menu for you to select.

The only time you would send Adobe RGB straight to the printer is if the printer driver is set up to expect Adobe RGB data coming in, but that's not common. And if you did it that way, it would be the printer driver doing the RGB to CMYK conversion, which is the Printer Manages Colors workflow, not Photoshop Manages Colors.

[richjhoward]

Thanks to both of you for your helpful answers.

I still have questions about the proper printer profile and how I disable

color management in the printer driver.

The printer I'm trying to get to parallel the document profile (Adobe RGB

1998) is a Canon TS9120.

Here are screen shots of my Photoshop Print Settings and Print Dialogue

Box: The PS Print Settings has settings for a number of Canon MG and MX

printers but not for the TS9120. The Print Dialogue Box only mentions

Photo paper and doesn't give choices of specific paper and ink being used.

Shouldn't it give me printer profile choices involving my specific Canon

TS9120 printer and paper and ink choices including the Canon ChromaLife 100

ink and Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy II paper I'm using?

Also, how do I go into the printer driver and disable color management and set

the correct paper type in the driver? Isn't printer color management

disabled by my selection in the PS Print Settings when I've selected

"Photoshop Manages Colors" instead of "Printer Manages Colors"?

Again, thanks for your help and I hope you can give me advice on these

additional questions.

Rich Howard

[D Fosse]

If the profiles aren't there, reinstall the printer software.

You get to the printer driver by clicking "Print Settings" in the Photoshop print dialog. Photoshop can't control those settings.

[jdanek]

"I still have questions about the proper printer profile and how I disable

color management in the printer driver."

- I wouldn't disable printer color management.  You have to separate application color settings from the printer's setup dialogues.  In my case, I always use "Let Printer Determine Colors" since I've already used Ps to apply a tag to my image which will now be interpreted by the print driver or RIP application.

The printer I'm trying to get to parallel the document profile (Adobe RGB

1998) is a Canon TS9120.

Here are screen shots of my Photoshop Print Settings and Print Dialogue

Box:  The PS  Print Settings has settings for a number of Canon MG and MX

printers but not for the TS9120.  The Print Dialogue Box only mentions

Photo paper and doesn't give choices of specific paper and ink being used.

- No screens, but you should see paper choices.

Shouldn't it give me printer profile choices involving my specific Canon

TS9120 printer and paper and ink choices including the Canon ChromaLife 100

ink and Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy II paper I'm using?

- Not ink choices, but yes, paper choices.

Also, how do I go into the printer driver and disable color management and set

the correct paper type in the driver?  Isn't printer color management

disabled by my selection in the PS Print Settings when I've selected

"Photoshop Manages Colors" instead of "Printer Manages Colors"?

- Yes.  However, you still need to select paper so the printer language coming in from Ps is interpreted correctly.

Take a look at this...

You should see similar settings in your Print dialog boxes.  Shown here are Media Type ( that's where you select the paper ), Print Mode ( I use Adobe RGB only as the source color mode since all of my files originate in Adobe RGB even if they are converted to CMYK ), Output Resolution ( always set to Super unless I am doing office docs ).

[D Fosse]

We are actually talking about two different things here.

The OP specifically wants "Photoshop Manages Color", but jdanek describes "Printer Manages Color".

Yes, from what I hear MacOS steps in and disables printer color management (in Windows you still need to do it manually) - but you should go into the printer driver anyway, to set paper type and generally check all other settings.

[D Fosse]

You don't print with Adobe RGB. That's the source profile, the document profile. Leave it. The print profile is the destination profile - a profile describing the specific printer/paper/ink combination.

This is a color management chain, meaning you need two profiles, a source and a destination.

You set this up in the Print dialog. Document profile is Adobe RGB, and then for print profile you set the one that corresponds to the specific paper and ink you're using.

With this conversion set up, you go into the printer driver and disable color management there - you don't want double profiling. Also set the correct paper type here, this controls total amount of ink.

(EDIT: cross-post)

[robert rey284583911ux3]

I slightly disagree with this. But I am 5years late in responding to this post. Sorry no one guided everyone in this thread at this year, I was busy on my printing business. I already shared solution to this back then but I shared it only in our country. The solution is to set your windows pc color profile through colormanagement to adobe rgb 1998, then set your photoshop to convert everything to its working color color profile. When printing, always set on photoshop that printer manages color, a cmyk printer especially the new ones are always set to adobe rgb 1998 color profile. So when you set everything with the same profile, you will get exact color that you see on your pc screen. 

[D Fosse]

You've just described how to disable and turn all color management off. Purely by accident, I should add.

Go back and read the other posts from Conrad C, jdanek and myself. That is how it actually works.

Color management is about remapping from one color space, the source, to another color space, the destination. By this remapping, color appearance is preserved. That's the whole point of it.

If the source and destination profiles are the same, nothing happens. The numbers just pass straight through unchanged. That's the definition of no color management. The technical term is "null transform".

If they are all the same, it doesn't even matter what the profile is. You can easily try that for yourself . Replace Adobe RGB with any other profile you like, sRGB, ProPhoto, whatever. The result is the same! You won't see any difference, they all cancel out regardless.

[robert rey284583911ux3]

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