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Cannot import SD 16x9 video correctily

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Mar 15, 2021 Mar 15, 2021

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I have some miniDv tapes that I'm dubbing to DVD with a JVC-SRDVM600 professional Deck.  Some of the tapes were recorded in 16x9 SD mode.  Please note, this is not HDDV.  The dvds created form these tapes always play in 16x9 format, and look great.  However when importing from the DVD with Premiere elements 2021, the resulting clips are 4x3, beginning from the upper left of the original format, and cutting off the right sided of the clip.  The clips also have black bars on the sides, which the true 4x3 clips did not.  When setting up the project, I changed the video setting to D1/DV NTSC Widescreen 16x9 preset.  If I right click on the imported clips, the Pixel Aspect Ratio says it is the D1/DV NTSC Widescreen 16x9 Setting.  However, the project and exports play in the 4x3 format described above, with the black bars on the sides.  Any ideas how to resolve this?  VLC has no problem importing and exporting in the correct format.

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Mar 16, 2021 Mar 16, 2021

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If you look under the Edit menu, what is listed on the General page of Project Settings for your video project?

 

You're not using a traditional method for capturing miniDV footage. As I'm sure you know miniDV is best captured over a FireWire connection, a process that does not change the video data in any way. It is the very same video data on your computer as it was on your camcorder tape. Which is why miniDV was at one time the ideal format for home video.

 

But you are converting the video from tape to DVD and then from DVD to digital video data, and that may be confusing the program so that it is not able to automatically match its project specs to your video. If this is the case, manually setting up your project settings will resolve your issue.

 

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Mar 16, 2021 Mar 16, 2021

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I gave the wrong description for accessing project settings in my original post.  Attached here are captures of the Edit->Project Settings->General tab, and also a capture of right clicking a clip in Project Assets and selecting properties.

 

The Project settings appear to be correct (D1/DV NTSC Widescreen 16x9).  This is true whether I change the preset manually or if Premier Elements detects the format automatically.  The 540x480 image size reported in the asset properties I don't understand....

 

I understand a direct Ilink import would provide better quality, but I don't have an Ilink adapter card and I suspect most people working on windows do not as well.  The SR-DVM6000 does a fantastic job of dubbing to DVD (DVD-Video format), and I've encountered no other player or NLE that is 'confused' by it.  I don't see any manual settings I can make to resolve the issues.  I have to submit that is a bug with Adobe Premiere Elements 2021.

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Mar 16, 2021 Mar 16, 2021

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What is the resolution of the video you're adding to Premiere Elements? If you right-click on this video clip in Project Assets and select Properties, what does it show for your Image Size, Frame Rate and Pixel Aspect Ratio?

 

I'm just concerned that in going from your digital camcorer to an analog output to digital disc burner to whatever method you used to get the VOB files to your computer, the data lost its original characteristics.

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Mar 16, 2021 Mar 16, 2021

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I sent image of asset properties earlier:

Image Size: 540x480

Frame Rate: 29.97

P.A.R 1.1851

 

The JVC SR-DVM6000 has a MiniDv player, an HDD and a DVD.  I'm dubbing directly from the MiniDV player to the DVD.  Internally, I assume this connection is Ilink, since I'm also able to dub to DVD via an Ilink Port.  Again, no other player or NLE has experienced issues with the resulting DVDs.

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Mar 16, 2021 Mar 16, 2021

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Are thes mpg files?

This issue as shown in the link can apply to Elments as well.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro/adobe-premiere-pro-automatically-crops-source-video-upon...

 

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Mar 16, 2021 Mar 16, 2021

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The affected files are .vob, so yes this is exactly my problem (relative to .vobs, not .mods).  The image is clearly cropped to 540x480, with the cropping occurring on the right hand side.  It's possible (probable) my 4:3 projects are cropped too and I just didn't notice.  So not really an aspect ratio issue.

 

Very dissapointing that a known 9 year old bug would propogate into the brand new release of a highly touted NLE to bite me.  My options are to try another NLE, or look for a used MacBook with dv port.  Both options end with Adobe Premiere Elements relegated to shelf ware.

 

Thanks for replying to identify the issue.

 

  

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Mar 17, 2021 Mar 17, 2021

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I'm not sure why your DVD writer is creating a 540x480 file with 1.18 PAR, but that's at the root of your problems. Premiere Elements is not able to match up project settings to that non-standard format.

 

If you captured your video via FireWire, you would have gotten a 720x480 video with a 1.2 PAR and it would conform perfectly to the Premiere Elements video frame. 

 

This can also be accomplished using a digitizer like the Diamond VC500 and a USB connection. However, your workflow of going through your DVD writer is creating a video that won't play rigth with the program.

 

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Mar 17, 2021 Mar 17, 2021

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That is quite possibly the most assinine explanation I've ever seen in a support group.  My DVD writer is not creating a 540x480 image with a 1.18 PAR, Adobe Premiere Elements 2021 is, and that sir, is the root of the problem.  My DVD writer is creating a DVD-Video formatted disc that every DVD player and NLE except Adobe Premiere Elements is able to render perfectly.

 

Your obvious intention of recklessly defending your product is wasteing everyone's time, and I'm not going to tolerate it.  It is a clear indication of exactly why this bug has persisted for nearly a decade. 

 

Moreover, if you insist on requiring Ilink imports, I'm going to insist on Adobe Premiere Elements to remove the DVD import menu options, and any claims Adobe Premiere Elements is capable of ripping DVDs. 

 

I don't expect a resolution to the issue, but I do expect far more responsible support.

 

 

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Mar 17, 2021 Mar 17, 2021

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Wow. You're welcome.

 

Just a reminder that this is a user to user forum. I don't work for Adobe, a criticize the product when it merits it and I don't get paid for giving advice. I'm merely trying to help people based on my 17 years of working with the program. You're welcome not to take it, but you don't have to be rude.

 

 

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Mar 17, 2021 Mar 17, 2021

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Then please do not respond to this thread anymore.  You're leaving innaccurate and irresponsible information.  There's still a chance someone could provide useful or helpful comments.

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Mar 18, 2021 Mar 18, 2021

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Please keep it gentlemanly.

 

The root of the problem is Elements not interpreting the files correct.

Its not just dvd/vob files but certain mpg files too (most likely the widescreen flag).

 

BTW we are users you like you trying to help out other users...

 

Can you upload a short clip to test?

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