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Brian Stoppee
Inspiring
December 6, 2017
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Do You Need to Know EVERYTHING?

  • December 6, 2017
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Do you really need to know EVERYTHING about an Adobe app?

Media technology is ever-changing. There was a time when creative professionals were pigeon-holed as: Photographer, Designer, Illustrator, Writer, Director, Producer, Editor, etc.

Today, one job description may require one primary skillset, but also a series of subset skills. By way of example, many people are in charge of web content for their employer. When they started their jobs, a few years ago, they may have been quite good with working in Adobe Photoshop.

With proper training that employee became an Adobe Photoshop ACA (Adobe Certified Associate: http://www.adobe.com/training/certification.html). As that person grew into the job, some skills with Adobe Bridge and Adobe Camera Raw were natural progressions. Soon Adobe Lightroom became helpful. Next, their employer wanted them to touch-up some documents in Adobe Acrobat, to add PDFs to the website. Now that person’s supervisor needs a few new documents created as PDFs so, our web content creator needs to learn some Adobe InDesign.

In the last sentence, “learn some Adobe InDesign” is the important part. That employee just needs some basics. The work that person is going to do uses pre-designed templates. So, a trained designer he/she is not.

We have enjoyed teaching Adobe 100 Level courses to these people, in a public college setting. Most of those students are in the 29-59 age range and have very good skills with macOS or Windows 10. They also know their way around the Adobe CC UI (user interface). So, they’re ready to learn the basics of an app, quite quickly.

Do they want to take a deep dive into the features of those Adobe apps? Not at this point.

They’re not looking at the scenery from 50,000 feet up. But, that student isn’t timid, either. They’re ready to land and get out and inhale the local air. But, they’re not interested in buying some InDesign real estate, pouring a foundation, and building a permanent home, either.

But, isn’t that what the full Adobe Creative Cloud subscription is all about? That collection of desktop apps serve the multimedia professional quite well.

In short: a permanent InDesign residence? No.

A pigeon-holed job? Today, those things are for the birds. Multimedia professionals are capable of taking skills, reaching out, and constantly growing their own personal capabilities. They gain confidence in building their own workflows.

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    Correct answer Nancy OShea

    https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea  wrote

    I was just lucky to have an unorthodox teacher who wasn't afraid to say what he believed.

    We cannot speak for teaching in general, but have decades of experience teaching creative talent about media technology. And, yes, it has a certain important form, especially when a goal is to start moving people toward certification, but we have to individually craft instruction.

    Janet & I switch off who is the instructor and who is the teaching assistant, with each lesson. We make sure every student "gets" it.

    We got our start teaching lighting even before our first book was released. I've done as many as 6 seminars over a 3 day weekend. And, I've never had the exact same teaching experience, ever. The student needs are different every time.

    One thing is for sure, when we teach Adobe apps every student is brain-drained at the end of every day. And, for some odd reason, they still retain it all for the next class day.


    Well, that's a credit to you both as gifted teachers who understand the material inside & out such that you can modify the course as the group's objectives change.

    There are probably less than 2% of undergrad college teachers who can do that because it's hard work.  In my experience, most instructors go by the book and deviate as little as possible.

    5 replies

    pziecina
    Legend
    December 7, 2017

    One thing i have noticed over the years is that one has to often relearn parts of what one has previously learned.

    I am not bad at html, css and javascript, but i often find that if i have not used a particular item often, i have to read and play with using it again before i remember exactly how it worked.

    Brian Stoppee
    Inspiring
    December 7, 2017

    pziecina  wrote

    I am not bad at html, css and javascript, but i often find that if i have not used a particular item often, i have to read and play with using it again before i remember exactly how it worked.

    100% agree.

    Around the turn of the century, Janet & I both had some nasty cerebral trauma, which caused us to learn more about the brain than we planned to ever know.

    There's some fascinating research which shows you can have great expertise in many, many complex tasks, which you do quite frequently. However, if the tasks are complex enough, in a period as short as two weeks or as long as four weeks, your efficiency with those tasks will diminish.

    So, if you revisit a book or video or working with a sample project, it'll start coming back, because those familiar learning tools have built-in triggers to your memory. (Unless, of course, you have had way too much wine!)

    Kat Gilbert
    Legend
    December 7, 2017

    My response is to the orig. question as I comprehend it... IF you knew everything there would be no questions... and IF you knew everything what would there be nothing left to explore... and IF you knew everything your head would explode!

    We all aspire to work with these apps that is in accord to our purpose whether it be teaching, creating, or exploring the universe; so my question is: do the apps fulfill their purpose according to what one seeks?

    Brian Stoppee
    Inspiring
    December 7, 2017

    https://forums.adobe.com/people/Kat+Gilbert  wrote

    do the apps fulfill their purpose according to what one seeks?

    It's kind of like great wine: you will always want more in your wine cellar!

    Kat Gilbert
    Legend
    December 7, 2017

    Wine helps the creative process--- I agree, but do the apps fuel creative thinking or only fulfill the process according to the thought?

    As many traditionalist say- digital art isn't true art but something just manipulated by the the application. Since this has been around since the 50's you would think that perception would have caught up to the process.

    TriciaLawrence
    Inspiring
    December 7, 2017

    This could possibly be a good thread to include the new tutorial videos Adobe has just produced to help beginners get going with our software:

    Photoshop Get Started

    Illustrator Get Started

    InDesign Get Started

    Premiere Pro Get Started

    After Effects Get Started

    Lightroom Classic Get Started

    Lightroom CC – COMING on 12/13

    Brian Stoppee
    Inspiring
    December 27, 2017

    TriciaLawrence  wrote

    This could possibly be a good thread to include the new tutorial videos Adobe has just produced to help beginners get going with our software:

    Photoshop Get Started

    Illustrator Get Started

    InDesign Get Started

    Premiere Pro Get Started

    After Effects Get Started

    Lightroom Classic Get Started


    Lightroom CC – COMING on 12/13

    Any chance Adobe is working some similar "Get Started" series on:

    • Acrobat
    • Animate
    • Dreamweaver
    • Muse

    That would seem like the next logical set.

    These things are pretty cool.

    Brian Stoppee
    Inspiring
    December 28, 2017

    Yes, in the past it has been a simulation that looks identical to the actual software.


    MACnTUTOR  wrote

    Yes, in the past it has been a simulation that looks identical to the actual software.

    Quite a few years ago we were asked to test drive an exam effort which allowed candidates to perform actual work in Adobe apps. Each task was timed and clicking on certain regions of the app's window permitted the candidate to answer questions which popped up.

    Janet diligently took a few of the exams and was told she was too slow because the ancient Mac they gave her kept crashing (it's tough to be time efficient if your test computer needs to reboot every two minutes).

    My test Mac was newer. It didn't crash as much but I had to run Disk Utilities and clean it up and somehow tested as an efficient user while running maintenance on the company's system.

    That company went out of business, a few months later.

    My point is that Pearson's testing methods have to work all over the planet. We were involved in some of how Pearson evolved a few test sites. Some colleges were not too thrilled with the demands Pearson made on them, but the changes made sense.

    So, people will say, "The Adobe certification testing is not relative to real world skills." and I get that, but to roll out a testing methodology which has we work in many, many places in fit into how testing works for Apple, Autodesk, Cisco, Microsoft, etc. takes some doing.

    Pearson has some new tools for exam creators to use and hopefully the Adobe exams will reflect that.

    Ussnorway7605025
    Legend
    December 7, 2017

    in Australia PDF is not used anywhere near as much as the US but I've been in web design + servers my whole adult life with out needing Indesign

    when I left school some 30+ years ago most students could not count pass 100 or spell (except for their own names) but they all played sport of some type so that was considered fine... In Australia today the need for licences and government training centers is just starting to make its way into main stream so there are a lot of 3rd party training outfits telling people they can have a certificate 4 (one level below diploma) after two nights a week effort... if you ever hear a pilot talking to you with an Australian accent then my advice is get off!

    Brian Stoppee
    Inspiring
    December 7, 2017

    Ussnorway  wrote

    in Australia PDF is not used anywhere near as much as the US

    That's interesting.

    If you wanted to create a great looking document to put on a website (even a church bulletin) what file format is a better choice, for broad use on desktops, laptops, and mobile devices?

    Ussnorway7605025
    Legend
    December 7, 2017

    lol a really important church bulletin that needs to be sent to a mobile device has never come up... the F in PDF is for form and thats why they are bigger in the US i.e, your government does like its forms but I have not got an issue with PDF

    pziecina
    Legend
    December 6, 2017

    I don't think anyone can know everything, the danger comes when someone does not know enough, but thinks they do.

    The Adobe apps make a number of users think that everything is easy when they first start out using them, and it is only when they come to doing something that is beyond the basics, that real problems start. That is often when we start to see posts in the forums complaining that there is something wrong with the program, users telling us that things should be easier, complaining that what we are telling them is stupid and we do not understand.

    As an example in the Dw forum today, a new post was created asking where and how one installs Dw on the web hosting server, and if they should replace the wordpress installation they have just installed by clicking a button in the cpanel, (even wanted to attatch an image of the button!). Such questions shows a complete lack of knowledge on the users part, and that lack of knowledge one knows will only become a bigger problem for the poster over time.

    Brian Stoppee
    Inspiring
    December 6, 2017

    pziecina  wrote

    I don't think anyone can know everything, the danger comes when someone does not know enough, but thinks they do.

    All of the public colleges in North America, which we have talked to, are under pressure to show accountability (as well they should). Janet & I are always given a little packet of things to do at the start and close of each course (all of which we love to do).

    One of them is talking to the students to learn more about what they know and what they wish to accomplish.

    I would guess that the vast majority of these media professionals have played around with the app we are about to teach them and they have hit way too many walls. Sometimes they have stories of things which went wrong at work.

    The good thing is that they are in the classroom and ready to learn. By the final class day all the students always tell us that they are back on track and have new goals.

    The problem is when people feel they need no classroom time, no books, no videos, no nothing… somehow they think they can figure it out on their own (hopefully they are not self-taught heart surgeons)!

    Nancy OShea
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    December 6, 2017

    I agree.

    According to the old adage, it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert at something.   Assuming you school for 25 years and work for 20 years with adequate time off for leisure, family & other avocations,  you could probably become an expert at 4-5 things per lifetime.  Possibly more if you're the super- self-driven type.

    But what if you just need to be pretty good at something?   You can probably do that in 20 hours.

    1.  Deconstruct the skill.  Identify exactly what you want to accomplish and make that your focus.

    2.  Learn enough to identify & fix your mistakes.

    3.  Remove distractions -- TV, internet, cell phones, texting, etc...

    3.  Practice, practice, practice.

    Nancy

    Nancy O'Shea— Product User & Community Expert