Waiting for Linux native softwares [Cloud on Linux WILL NOT HAPPEN]

[JensEckervogt]

Hello everyone , why do you not release any softwares under Linux?

Sorry I don't care Windows because I am very scared to Windows.  I am using since September 2018 with Ubuntu 18.04 and I cannot install Adobe software on wine because they are very sensitively. 

1. Please release softwares under Linux! I thought you don't want release softwares under Linux. I recommend you have experience of XLib/Gtk3/4
2. We would love to test trail version or buy softwares under Linux.

Please stop use only Windows and macOS! We want Adobe's Developers should release under Linux.

I recommend you release installer of Adobe like VMWare's Installer.

If you don't worry about distros like Ubuntu, Mind, Solus, Redhat, OpenSuse or ArchLinux etc.

I hope you understand me.  Sorry my bad English!

• Best regards 

[Axel Matt]

As far as I know there's actually no plan to support Linux. 

But: If it's so important for you the please post in Abobe's Bug-/Wishlist-Forum (https://www.adobe.com/products/wishform.html)  or like an existing entry.

This here is a public forum and not the support from Adobe. We are all normal users as you.

[John T Smith]

That was first asked for on 8-29-2012 https://community.adobe.com/t5/Get-Started/Creative-Cloud-for-Linux-Ubuntu/td-p/4407103

It has not happened in over 7 years... I don't work for Adobe, but I don't think it will ever happen

[JensEckervogt]

@Alex_Matt: Thanks for moving my thread to wishforum - I will try out.

@John T Smith, it has problem with lonk looks like error page

[John T Smith]

the link I provided works just fine for me

[Nancy OShea]

As this meme says, I think you will be waiting for a long time and never get your wish.  

Designers like their Windows and Apple devices even if you don't.

[Horban5EB5]

The problem is that Adobe don't see money in supporting Linux and they do have too much difficulties with the framework they use to support MacOS so they don't want to support yet another OS. At the same time Adobe saves loads of money while they are using Linux for their backend system delivery systems, so the extra cost for supporting Linux could have been taken from the savings from using Linux and in that way contributiong something back to the community.

At least Micrsoft do pay pack to the community with applications and code to the Linux kernel, it's nice to see that Linux is now capable of being Hyper-V host, this of course mainly for the Azure but could also be a steping stone in swapping kernel.

[Nancy OShea]

The product user-to-user community has no influence over what Adobe does.  This entire topic has been moved to the Lounge.  If anyone wishes to make a feature request where product developers will see it, use the form below.

https://www.adobe.com/products/wishform.html

Thank you.

[Dov Isaacs · Accepted solution]

I'll make this as simple as possible.

(1)    The market share for Linux (in percentage) on the desktop (or laptop) continues to shrink over the years. That isn't a value judgement as to the quality or performance of Linux, but a reality.

(2)    It takes at least as much effort (measured in staff, time, and money) to produce, test, and distribute Linux-compatible releases as it does releases for Windows and MacOS, possibly much more given different development tools required and the multiple “distros” of Linux.

(3)    Quite often we find that Linux users expect their applications to be at much lower prices than those for Windows and MacOS versions or possibly totally free. That makes no business sense at all give both (1) and (2) above.

If it makes no business sense, then such versions are simply not going to be produced.

[gustavopinent]

I will disagree of these points. Of course Adobe is not a public foundation, the main objective is to make money. However, to make money you have to keep your eye on your customers, that's why Adobe keep suport for old OS (both MS and Apple) even with the difficulties of keep building patches for it - everithing is old, nothing will work as expected anymore etc., many times more difficult than port to other different but updated OS.

The main point to me is Linux is a real thread to Adobe's partners, as Microsoft and Apple. Both are greedy, powerful, not a company you will want against you, if you want to make money. So Adobe will keep with their old partners for now, even with a B plan with Linux - I won't doubt they keep a hidden Linux project.

Modern Linux distributions are better OS overal than macOS and Windows. Lighter, stable and safe, they won't try to seel you stuff all the time, won't keep digging in your personal life and they're not made to be a part of scheduled obsolescence of the harware.

I work with MacOS and Linux Mint / Ubuntu. I won't say it is easy, but is manageble to develop and publish for both taking advantage of similar features of these Unix like OSes (I personally thought Linux is easyer). As for thiny market share (low demand), there is a lot of ways to deal with, there is developers capable and willing to deal with in a "symbiotic" relationship with Adobe as there is for a lot of other cases. In my Linux PCs there is a lot of third part good apps as OneDrive, Zoom, Google stuff as Chrome itself. Not mentioning games - Steam and GOG. There is no technological or cost issues, there is a strategic issue, it's about Adobe's policy, that's all - IMO.

Personally, I don't how much time I will keep with macOS just because of Adobe...

[Nancy OShea]

Professional design studios don't use Linux OS.  Adobe understands this and caters to their widest user base on Macs, iOS and Win devices.  

Linux is mainly used by programmers and coders.  Unless that changes drastically, Adobe is unlikely to bend in other directions. 

OTHER TOOLS (raster & vector):
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- GIMP: https://www.gimp.org/
- Gravit Designer: https://www.designer.io/en/
- Inkscape: https://inkscape.org/

- Karbon: https://calligra.org/karbon/
- Krita: https://krita.org/

- MyPaint: http://mypaint.org/
- Paint.NET: https://www.getpaint.net/
- PhotoPea: https://www.photopea.com/
- Photo Pos Pro: https://www.photopos.com/PPP3_BS/Default.aspx
- Pixlr: https://pixlr.com/
- Vctr: https://vectr.com/

[gustavopinent]

I did a test in the first half of this year and it is amizing how popular some apps as inkscape or guimp are now. I worked for six month only with open surce tools and there is a strong community. I did publish my dad's book like this, no complains of nobody about me using those tools. Of course Adobe is a required tool set, but is not alone anymore.

[Abambo]

Of course Adobe is a required tool set, but is not alone anymore.

By @gustavopinent

Adobe programs were never alone:

• Photoshop, at the beginning, was one of many…
• Indesign was the challenger when Adobe started the program.
• Illustrator was in fierce competition with Freehand.
• Premiere (Pro) has many competitors. It was even for a short time abandoned on macOS computers because of competition.
• Dreamweaver has originally not been developed by Adobe. GoLive was the Adobe product.
• etc.

As all companies, Adobe and its products are evolving, some come, some go, some stay. One of Adobe's core products (PostScript) not even a desktop product, even that it runs also on desktop computers.

You may agree or disagree with Adobe and its policy, but believe me, they know how to create products and to make money. And they did experiment with Unix machines, and it did not work.

[gustavopinent]

I am considering free alternatives, is a different thing. Adobe, even with competition, can have a space to be alone, not only with a good products but with good parterships. By the way, Adobe have good products overall. But now we have some free tools as Gimp or Eclipse that can have a professional level (I tried both in the past and was not like today). Other are comming to a pro level as inkscape and are already in the desktop of pro users even with Adobe - my case. This is what a mean "not being alone". There is Corel, but that's another kind of competition, is when you have money or is willing to pay for a solution. Linux is for useres that don't have money or are not willing to pay for Adobe or Corel.

I like Adobe, wish to pay for it, but I also have to think about my own business. I might have to leave Adobe if Linux become serious, because Apple is not a serious company anymore, I don't see myself buying another Macbook or another iPhone. I am complaining about Adobe because I still got respect, different from Apple that seems to wish to get inside my home and destroy my devices so I will have to buy new ones.

By the way, Microsoft is not an alterantive...

[Abambo]

There is Corel, but that's another kind of competition, is when you have money or is willing to pay for a solution. Linux is for useres that don't have money or are not willing to pay for Adobe or Corel.

By @gustavopinent

If Linux is for users that don't have money or are not willing to pay for Adobe or Corel, don't ask Adobe and Corel to port their software to Linux. See also the correct answer from @Dov Isaacs: https://community.adobe.com/t5/the-lounge-discussions/waiting-for-linux-native-softwares/m-p/1192637...

Just to say, some Linux users have a lot of money and are willing to pay to get what they need. But those users are not using Photoshop for solving their tasks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500#Architecture_and_operating_systems

It's a question of what tools you use to be productive, it's not the question of porting some software to some OS.

[gustavopinent]

I wrote that in another context. I am not asking anything, just analyzing the possibilities. But never mind with me, with so devoted customers, Adobe won't need me anyway. Apple and Adobe may stick toghether, I will be out soon, I'm tired of these old greedy companies...

[Abambo]

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@gustavopinent wrote:  I'm tired of these old greedy companies...

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The point of making money is to have a product that others want. It's not to get the software on all plattforms, if it is commercially not viable. As I said, many companies did put their software on Unix machines, and it did not work.

[Conrad C]

There is Corel, but that's another kind of competition, is when you have money or is willing to pay for a solution. Linux is for useres that don't have money or are not willing to pay for Adobe or Corel.

By @gustavopinent

The interesting thing about the Corel alternative is that Corel already did what is being asked of Adobe. Corel released versions for Linux of Corel WordPerfect, CorelDraw, Corel PhotoPaint, and other applications in their suite. They even released a Corel Linux distro to run it all on.

These were released in 1999. It apparently did not gain enough support to be worth the effort and expense,  because Corel shut down Linux development just a few years later.

[Abambo]

Linux is mainly used by programmers and coders.  Unless that changes drastically, Adobe is unlikely to bend in other directions. 

By @Nancy OShea

Linux is widely used, but not for desktop computers and graphic workstations. Linux is used in numerous embedded systems without having the end user knowing this. And Linux is running on the fastest computers in the world. But the key is desktop/laptop. @Dov Isaacs' answer is still true.

And just for the history: Years ago, you could acquire Photoshop running on Irix workstations (Irix was the Silicon Graphics flavour of Unix). It's a long time ago: http://unixfiles.org/software/post/photoshop!

[MonXyo]

I will disagree.... i am a full time video producer and photgrapher. My last 7 paychecks have relied solely on Gimp, Kdenlive, Davinci resolve, Rawtherapee, Audacity, reaper and natron. Spent 3 months learning all these and the distros i currently use Are> Manjaro, Fedora, Ubuntu, Pop OS, KDE Neon and recently MX linux Xfc. I also teach FOSS and i have to say,,, moving forward all the way. As a 15 year MAC USER and 8 year Windows User, was fedup up of lack of upgradability, over pricing, viruses, updates etc... I have a 11 year old that loves ubuntu and is impressed with performance. I sold my macs, and bough 2 2018 Dells, and built a AMD workstation..

All these for the price of a M1 MACBOOK PRO... COME ON..... Adobe should code PS and Premiere AT LEAST, to give it a try... And if they are wise enough, you could charge 25% less to linux users in return of community support and so on.... but any way, might be utopic..but something is true... LINUX IS GROWING, OPEN SOURCE is the future.... Remember... still a couple of wars and pandemics to come...

peace.

[gustavopinent]

I read from CrossOver CEO - a very experienced developer - that this is the
year of Linux. I am kinda skeptical of a big turn in the market, but what I
see in the last distros is a lot of potential. Microsoft and Apple will
feel the impact this time, and Adobe will lose a lot of users by keeping
this policy of macOS and Windows only.

[Conrad C]

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@gustavopinent wrote:
I read from CrossOver CEO - a very experienced developer - that this is the year of Linux. I am kinda skeptical of a big turn in the market

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Skepticism is probably well founded. Although I welcome Linux as another alternative (I'm not trying to be negative about it), I chuckled reading that, because someone proclaiming “This is the year of Linux on the desktop!” is a sort of running gag in tech history, kind of like how we say nuclear fusion power is always 10 years in the future…no matter what year it is. For example, someone on Reddit asked, “When did someone first say, ‘this is the year of the Linux desktop?’ ” They figured people have been saying it since 1998… so, for almost a quarter of a century.

[Joshua22383973kmf0]

Ok, so first of all the premise is not false. Look at this:

https://youtu.be/fzzf2QnyPgY

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Why does adobe not see there actually is a market for Adobe Products for Linux users?

[thatsmauri]

I can't speak for Adobe, but here are my thoughts:

Linux is - with a market share somewhere between 1.74 – 2.18% - still a niche OS, with various distros floating around the web. It's probably easier to only support certain Windows and macOS versions than to rewrite Photoshop etc in order to make it run on Linux. The reality is: The majority of people in the creative field are either using Windows or Mac devices.

So, is the market for it there? I really don't think so and chances are that Adobe thinks the same.

[John T Smith]

Cloud on Linux will NOT happen https://community.adobe.com/t5/the-lounge/waiting-for-linux-native-softwares/td-p/10943296