Thanks everyone this was very helpful. A few more questions, Once a RAW/DNG file is adjusted inside Camera Raw and no more adjustments will be made, is it most common to then save the RAW/DNG file as a Jpeg or Tiff? (I think I would rather delete the original RAW/DNG file after it's adjusted and saved to a Jpeg or Tiff. I don't really like the idea of having duplicates images.) I understand now, if a Jpeg or a Tiff is opened as a RAW file inside Photoshop, it will open up in Camera Raw inside Photoshop. If ANYTHING is done inside Camera Raw, except for hitting the cancel button, it will continue to open up in Camera Raw inside Photoshop and will be given the Camera Raw icon in Bridge. For example, even if you move a cursor adjustment in Camera Raw and put it right back exactly to where it was and hit done, it will still open back up in Camera Raw. The only way to get the file to open up regularly again inside Photoshop, without Camera Raw is to clear the develop setting inside Bridge which removes the Camera Raw icon in Bridge. Is there any other possible way to do this? Can this be done in Photoshop or Camera Raw itself and not Bridge? (For example, there must be a way to make adjustments inside Camera Raw and be able to reset them while still being inside Camera Raw. It looks like you have the options of choosing "image setting," "camera raw defaults" and "reset camera raw defaults" in the preset tab of Camera Raw. I don't really understand the difference with these three options, but they all seem to reset the adjustments back to default. However, these options don't seem to remove the Camera Raw icon in Bridge.) I don't think I will be opening up Jpegs or Tiffs in Camera Raw much longer anyway. Once I get a Canon camera, I will only shoot in RAW and open the RAW/DNG files in Camera Raw. After the RAW files are adjusted in Camera Raw and saved as a Jpeg or Tiff, there would not be any reason to open the saved Jpeg or Tiff files up in Camera Raw.  ... View more

That is disappointing and no, I do not want additional software to remove the metadata. I just wanted my files to share the same information. I guess I will just have open all my non raw files in camera raw now so they all match. Thanks for your help Jeff. ... View more

Yes, I probably watched most of them. They all seem to focus on the processing of camera raw. My questions are much more basic and have nothing to do with editing inside camera raw. ... View more

Hello? Can you see what I am pointing out? ... View more

Thank you for the caution and have a close friend that will sell me a CS6 copy also. Back to my questions, I am having a very hard time understanding the Camera Raw and the DNG Converter downloads. The link below is the Adobe site for all windows, Camera Raw and DNG downloads. Adobe - Adobe Camera Raw and DNG Converter : For Windows As you can see version 7.1 and before offers the option to download the Camera Raw OR the DNG Converter. Where as version 7.2 to current, (10.0) only offers the Camera Raw + the DNG download. For a CS6 user, how do I download the Camera Raw 9.1.1 only, without the DNG Converter 9.1.1? How do I download the current, DNG Converter 10.0 only without the Camera Raw 10.0? I understand if my camera doesn't support the version of Camera Raw I am using, I need to use the DNG Converter. However, I can always use the most up to date version of the DNG Converter, regardless of what version of Camera Raw my version of Photoshop supports. Is this correct? Do you recommend to upgrade from Photoshop CS5 to CS6 just for the Camera Raw version? Photoshop CS5 supports up to Camera Raw 6.7.1 Photoshop CS6 supports up to Camera Raw 9.1.1 I can see upgrading to Photoshop CS6, if the camera I plan on using is supported in Camera Raw 9.1.1. This would save me the extra step in having to use the DVG Converter. However, the Cannon camera I'm looking at right now is not supported in Camera Raw 9.1.1 and I would have to use the DNG Converter anyways. Thanks, Leo ... View more

What do you mean? I see quite a few unopened, copies up for sale. I'm not interested in a monthly subscription. Nothing personal with Adobe. I don't own a business, taking pictures and editing them is just a hobby for me. Thanks, ... View more

I currently have Photoshop CS5 and thinking about purchasing a full version of Photoshop CS6. ... View more

As you can see, the file that I opened in Camera Raw displays a "Camera Raw" tab along with the file name in the metadata info to the left.  Where as the file that was never opened in Camera Raw, doesn't display this "Camera Raw" tab. ... View more

This is a file that was never opened in Camera Raw ... View more

This is the Camera Raw file ... View more

I will try and do so, thanks. ... View more

Got it, thanks. After doing this, I see all the camera raw info was removed. However, it still shows the camera raw tab along with the camera raw file name. This is not present with a file that I never opened in camera raw. Anyway to remove this also, making the file info identical to files that were never opened in camera raw? ... View more

"With adobe bridge you can actually delete the camera raw metadata in the tiff and jpeg files that are causing them tp open in camera raw, which in turn reduces the file sizes of the photos. Edit>Develop Settings>Clear Settings. Also, if you have or ever get a camera that shoots camera raw photos, bridge is very a convenient way to look at the photos, since windows may not support a lot of newer camera raw formats for viewing." Exactly how do I do this? I can see the one image that I opened in Camera Raw has a camera icon, inside Bridge. I guess this indicates that it has CR metadata, but when I have the image highlighted and go to Edit>Develop Settings>Clear Settings, it's greyed out. Thanks,                    ... View more

"Why on earth would you preclude Bridge from any solution?  It is far too useful in so many ways, not to take advantage of.  You can chose to open suitable files in ACR by selecting them and using Ctrl R, or just Ctrl O to open them directly in Photoshop. You can give files star rating (Ctrl 5 = 5 stars) and then filter to view just the files you are interested in.  A great way to sort out your best pictures.  You can sort by all the same criteria as Explorer (or Finder if you are using a Mac) and you can also sort by dragging.  You can batch rename, batch resize, view small or full screen previews.  You can view metadata, give files attributes to help you sort and re-find them.  It even has an Output Module that lets you add four images per page, or any arrangement you want so you can store or print them later." Thanks this is useful information. I don't have any problem with Bridge and I'm sure I will be using it in the future. ... View more

"Go to Edit>Preferences>Camera Raw and set Jpeg and Tiff Handling to Disable Support for both Jpeg and Tiff." I saw this before I made the post and thought by disabling support for Jpeg and Tiff, I would no longer be able to open a Jpeg or Tiff in Camera Raw at all. However, somehow it worked. All Jpeg and Tiff files open regularly now and I can still open them in Camera Raw if I want to. Thanks! ... View more

Hello Atul, After about 2 weeks of trying to decide on how to install my Photoshop CS5, I finally decided to go with option #1. I did so for many reasons. Number #1 I would have ended up with Adobe Application Manager as one of my start menu programs. (Not to say this is a bad thing, but it seems to be unnecessary.) Number #2 If I launched the Adobe Application Manager in my start menu, it would have turned into Adobe Creative Cloud and I would have an additional, unnecessary program (Creative Cloud) in my control panel programs. I really don't see a need to have the Application Manager or Creative Cloud. I only need the Camera Raw update. Number #3 If I installed the Application Camera Raw 6.7 update inside Photoshop, it's not even the most updated version anyway. Camera Raw 6.7.1 is the last version that Photoshop CS5 supports, and this is thanks to Gene for letting me know. The only thing that annoys me is after manually installing the Camera Raw 6.7.1 update, it still shows the Application Manager and Camera Raw 6.7 as available updates inside Photoshop CS5.1. Why it shows Camera Raw 6.7 when I already have 6.7.1 makes no sense to me. I just will never install the two updates and I selected not to be notified in the menu bar, under preferences inside the Application Manager. Thanks you for clarifying that Application Manager has been completely replaced with Creative Cloud. However, can you please be more clear with you answers to my other two questions. 2) If I go with option #2 and uninstall Creative Cloud, will the Application Manager reappear when I check for updates? (If you don't know for sure, what would you guess, your guess is better than mine.) "2. If you have uninstalled Adobe Creative Cloud completely, you wouldn't be able to check updates as Adobe Application Manager is also required." Of Course, I can still check for updates inside Photoshop CS5.1, but would the Application Manager or any other updates still show up? 3) If I go with option #2 and don't uninstall Creative Cloud, what's the worst that will happen? (I have been trying to read up on what exactly Creative Cloud is and still don't really understand. It seems like it's only for CC subscribers and the application in which to download and install programs. Since I am not a CC subscriber, I guess I will have a program in my start menu that doesn't apply to me and serves no purpose. I basically will be able to login but that's about it. Is all this correct?) "3. You wouldn't be able to update the application as Adobe application is not available." I don't understand this response. Thanks, Leo ... View more

Okay, thanks Gene. ... View more

I need to take a step back and have a few more last questions. Now that I think about it, I would like to forget about option #2. Installing an application in my start menu that I can't click on is stupid. Therefore. this gives me only two options, 1) Install Photoshop CS5.1 without any components, and update Camera Raw Manually. -This will result in having Bridge CS5.1 and Photoshop CS5.1 in my start menu programs and only Photoshop CS5.1 in my control panel programs. -When I check for updates within Photoshop CS5.1, OR when I'm automatically notified within windows, an Adobe window will pop up and recommend the Application Manager. Why this is, I don't know since there is nothing to update. (Of course, I can set the preferences to not be notified inside the Application Manager before I install it.) 2) Install Photoshop CS5.1 without any components, and update Camera Raw through Photoshop CS5.1. This means I have to install the Application Manager also. -This will result having Application Manager, Bridge CS5.1 and Photoshop CS5.1 in my start menu programs and only Photoshop CS5.1 in my control panel programs. -When I check for updates within Photoshop CS5.1, there are none and I'm fully up to date. I will not be notified for any updates either. -Then, click on Application Manager in the start menu and update it to Creative Cloud. -Finally, I will have Creative Cloud, Bridge CS5.1 and Photoshop CS5.1 in my start menu programs and Photoshop CS5.1 plus Creative Cloud in my control panel programs. My final questions, please try to answer in detail so I can finally decide on with installation method to choose. 1) Is Adobe Application Manager totally discontinued, (all versions) and replaced with Creative Cloud? (I have tried to ask you this a few times already.) 2) If I go with option #2 and uninstall Creative Cloud, will the Application Manager reappear when I check for updates? (If you don't know for sure, what would you guess, your guess is better than mine.) 3) If I go with option #2 and don't uninstall Creative Cloud, what's the worst that will happen? (I have been trying to read up on what exactly Creative Cloud is and still don't really understand. It seems like it's only for CC subscribers and the application in which to download and install programs. Since I am not a CC subscriber, I guess I will have a program in my start menu that doesn't apply to me and serves no purpose. I basically will be able to login but that's about it. Is all this correct?) 4) Do you think option #1 is better for a long term installation method? (For example, in 10 years do you think the Camera Raw 6.7 update may not even be available to download through the Application Manager and has to be done manually?) 5) Which installation method would you personally choose for log term? Thanks and I apologize for all the questions. Leo ... View more

Also, just so you understand, after I install Photoshop CS5.1 without any extra components, there are only 2 updates available inside Photoshop CS5.1. These are Application Manager and Camera Raw 6.7. Obviously, Camera Raw 6.7 can't be selected without selecting Application Manager also. Like I said, if I choose to install the Camera Raw update manually, the Application Manager still shows up by itself when I check for updates inside Photoshop CS5.1. If I choose option #3, do you think Application Manager or Camera Raw 6.7 will show up inside Photoshop CS5.1? That is pretty much my last question and apologize for the overthinking. Although, I feel like this is a somewhat basic installation question but Application Manager and Creative Cloud is causing issues for me. ... View more

Thanks for the reply. Although, I'm thinking option #3 may be the best. That is, IF I can uninstall Creative Cloud and the Application Manager does not show up when checking for updates in Photoshop CS5.1. I was asking you two other questions. 1) Is Application Manager, (all versions) completely discontinued and officially replaced with Creative Cloud? 2) If I choose option 3, can I then safely uninstall Creative Cloud without effecting Bridge CS5.1, Photoshop CS5.1 and the Camera Ram 6.7 update? If I do this, will the Application Manager show up in Photoshop CS5.1 when I check for updates? ... View more

"Since you plan to update to update your product manually and you are not going to trial other products, you can try leaving out the AAM and simply going to Product Updates. If you have further problems, you can do that." This does not make any sense to me. Can we please start over? Can you please try and answer the 3 questions I have below, directly? I'm having trouble deciding on which way I should install Photoshop CS5.1 on my PC. Perhaps, I am overthinking this but wanted to get some feedback before I install the program. 1) Install Photoshop CS5.1 without any components, and update Camera Raw Manually. -This will result in having Bridge CS5.1 and Photoshop CS5.1 in my start menu programs and only Photoshop CS5.1 in my control panel programs. -When I check for updates within Photoshop CS5.1, it will display the Application Manager. Why this is, I don't know since there is nothing to update. 2) Install Photoshop CS5.1 without any components, and update Camera Raw through Photoshop CS5.1, which is Application Manager. -This will result in having Application Manager, Bridge CS5.1 and Photoshop CS5.1 in my start menu programs and only Photoshop CS5.1 in my control panel programs. -When I check for updates within Photoshop CS5.1, there are none and I'm fully up to date. I would then never click on Application Manager in the start menu to prevent it from becoming Creative Cloud. 3) Install Photoshop CS5.1 without any components, and update Camera Raw through Photoshop CS5.1, which is Application Manager. -This will result having Application Manager, Bridge CS5.1 and Photoshop CS5.1 in my start menu programs and only Photoshop CS5.1 in my control panel programs. -When I check for updates within Photoshop CS5.1, there are none and I'm fully up to date. -Then, click on Application Manager in the start menu and update it to Creative Cloud. -Finally, I will have Creative Cloud, Bridge CS5.1 and Photoshop CS5.1 in my start menu programs and Photoshop CS5.1 plus Creative Cloud in my control panel programs. I'm sure I speak for many when I say, I don't like having unnecessary programs installed on my PC. Especially, ones I know I will never use. Like I said, I don't even install any the "extra/unnecessary" components with Photoshop CS5.1. I don't think I will ever even use Bridge CS5.1. However, Bridge CS5.1 has to be installed with Photoshop CS5.1. 1) Which installation option should I choose, what is proper? (I know for sure that I will never become a CC subscriber) 2) Is Application Manager, (all versions) completely discontinued and officially replaced with Creative Cloud? 3) If I choose option 3, can I then safely uninstall Creative Cloud without effecting Bridge CS5.1, Photoshop CS5.1 and the Camera Ram 6.7 update? If I do this, will the Application Manager show up in Photoshop CS5.1 when I check for updates? Thanks ... View more

Thanks for you help thus far. I should have labeled this post "Photoshop CS5.1 installation." "Since you already installed 6.7 it's kind of a moot question. Well, there is 6.7.1 that fixes a minor issue with tiffs, but that depends if you will run tiffs through ACR." Actually, I just formatted my PC and experimented with the installation before hand. Now, I'm need to choose one of the three ways below, 1) Install Photoshop CS5.1 without any components, and update Camera Raw Manually. This will result in installing the Camera Raw 6.7 only. I will have Bridge CS5.1 and Photoshop CS5.1 in my start menu programs. The only thing is, when I check for updates within Photoshop CS5.1 it will still display and recommend the Application Manager. 2) Install Photoshop CS5.1 without any components, and update Camera Raw through Photoshop CS5.1, which is Application Manager. This will result in installing the Camera Raw 6.7 and Application Manager. I will have Application Manager, Bridge CS5.1 and Photoshop CS5.1 in my start menu programs. I would then never click on Application Manager to prevent it from becoming Creative Cloud. 3) Install Photoshop CS5.1 without any components, and update Camera Raw through Photoshop CS5.1, which is Application Manager. This will result in installing the Camera Raw 6.7 and Application Manager. I will have Application Manager, Bridge CS5.1 and Photoshop CS5.1 in my start menu programs. Then, click on Application Manager to update it to Creative Cloud. Finally, I will have Creative Cloud, Bridge CS5.1 and Photoshop CS5.1 in my start menu programs. I'm sure I speak for many when I say, I don't like having unnecessary programs in my start menu. Especially, ones I know I will never, ever use. Like I said, I don't install any "extra/unnecessary" components with Photoshop CS5.1. I don't think I will ever even use Bridge CS5.1. However, Bridge CS5.1 has to be installed with Photoshop CS5.1. Which installation option do you recommend I choose? Are you saying that AAM, (all versions) is completely discontinued and has been replaced with Creative Cloud? ... View more

"The point of the Application Manager is that when you go to Help > Updates, it fetches all the Updates you are entitled to. Bridge, Camera Raw and Extension Manager. That saves you from going to the product updates page and figuring out what in that long list applies to your version." I understand the convenience of Application Manager but, it's it seems to be broken, like I said. The application Manager turns into Creative Cloud. Do you know why this happens? "If you don't update the AAM, you get the cryptic message, "Updates failed to install." I manually installed the Camera Raw 6.7 update without any problems. I did not get this message. I also do not use or have the Extension Manager installed, and therefore I do not need any updates. "Updates have bugfixes and should be put in. Camera Raw 6.7 has more improvements over 6.3." I do agree it's better to have a more updated version. I just though, since I'm going to have to use the DNG Converter anyway, why does it matter? Thanks, Leo ... View more