dissidently wrote: This is slightly disingenuous because you're using a different combining method in the bottom example, right? No, here's exactly how to reproduce what I did: Create a circle and a smaller circle inside it. Select all and make a copy next to it. Select the original two circles and apply Minus Front while holding Alt. Select the circles of the copy and apply Minus Front without holding Alt. Select all and make a copy of them at the bottom. Deselect all. From the bottom select the two inner circles by clicking on each with the white arrow, holding Alt, and Shift. Then move them so they are partially outside the encompassing circle. This shows a possible difference of this example between applying a compound shape or path to the same set of objects. Here's a couple of more examples that may help you with understanding these things better. On top is the original combination of objects and at the bottom are two copies of it after applying Minus Front and holding Alt on the left one and without Alt on the right one. The left one becomes a compound shape giving you the flexibility to adjust each of the original objects while the left one becomes simply one path. If the smaller circle was inside the larger one like the example in my previous message then the right one becomes a compound path which is the method used for vector objects with holes - they are technically one object but they contain more than one path and each path can be selected and transformed independently which is similar to what can be done to a compound shape but is still not the same thing in regards to what is possible. In the next example on top is the original combination of objects. the smaller black shape is a rectangle with a round corners effect applied to it which allows you to change the roundness of the corners at any time later. At the bottom are two copies of this after applying Minus Front and holding Alt on the left one and without Alt on the right one. You can see that the Compound shape retains the flexibility to transform the two object independently and the roundness of the corners that can still be changed while the shape on the right loses the round corners and becomes a simple path. To retain the round corners on that one, you have to expand the appearance (the effect) before applying Minus Front. I think they should have programmed this to happen automatically because that's what I think most would expect but this is what you get at least in my version. hope this helps dissidently wrote: I really do want to know WHY each individual idiosyncracy is the way it is..... Oh, don't worry too much about such things. There is so many idiosyncrasies everywhere you will never be in peace. Everyone is different and it is very hard to find things that fit perfectly to your intuition. Intuition is your previous experience used unconsciously and thus without new efforts but there are so many tools, software, devices, interfaces, and what not in the world which makes it impossible to make these things easy for everyone. More you use something more you will get used to its idiosyncrasies If you don't like something and you are not the only one your feature request can eventually make a difference and that's all you can do when it comes to things like software.
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