Re: InDesign CS6 resolution for pixel documents no...

rob day · ‎May 17, 2012

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but have you tried turning on Snap to Document Grid and setting your Document Grid prefs like this: With this setting any manual move I make shows the x y as a whole number in the Transfom panel

rob day · ‎May 17, 2012

app.generalPreferences.customMonitorPpi = 72; app.generalPreferences.useCustomMonitorResolution = true; Peter, the script you posted above apparently works for jessebc. Is this a case where there's a preference hook available via scripting, that's not in the GUI (haven't installed CS6 yet)? I have to agree this seems like a major problem. If the solution exists in the scripting dictionary it sounds like the preference got left out and someone needs to put it back in.

rob day · ‎May 04, 2012

You could be getting a conversion into a different CMYK color space which would explain the shift in colors. Open the logo and resave and make sure to uncheck Embed Profiles.

rob day · ‎May 04, 2012

Is the logo placed or is it built in ID? What's your Transparancy Blend Space set to? Are all of the logo colors CMYK?

rob day · ‎Apr 29, 2012

Try this for CS3 or CS4. With CS5 images are page items, but in CS3 they were in a seperate graphics class, which is why the CS5 script breaks. This version works the same way, with the black Selection tool you need to select the source frame, select the destination frame and run the script tell application "Adobe InDesign CS3" activate set myDoc to active document set myFrame to selection --make sure there is a selection if myFrame is {} then display dialog "Select a frame and try again" return end if --make sure the source frame has been copied try paste into on error display dialog "Clipboard is empty, copy a frame with an image and try again" return end try -- check for page items inside of the pasted item set myPasted to all page items of item 1 of myFrame --if there are none it's an image so delete and show message (this changes in CS5 where a page item can be an image) if (count of myPasted) is 0 then delete item 1 of myFrame display dialog "Copy a frame with an image and try again" return end if --the selection is now the the frame we pasted into, so select the inside frame select item 1 of all page items of item 1 of item 1 of selection cut --paste in place gets the correct position paste in place --get the temporary paste which we need to delete set temp to selection --in CS3 to select an image it's item 1 of all graphics and not page items set selection to item 1 of all graphics of item 1 of temp --cut the image, delete the temp and paste into cut delete temp select myFrame paste into end tell

rob day · ‎Apr 11, 2012

I am not sure how you were able to get the search option box to appear You mean Swatch Options right? There are 2 panels for color Swatches and Color. You can use the Color panel for apply color once to a selected object. Or you can use the Swatches panel to make a new swatch and apply it to multiple objects—select the object and click the swatch.

rob day · ‎Apr 10, 2012

If you make an RGB or Lab swatch that is out-of-gamut to your document's CMYK space an out-of-gamut warning shows in the swatch dialog. When you use the color it will stay in the RGB gamut unchanged as long as you don't have transparency anywhere on the page with the default CMYK Transparency Blend mode selected, or you don't have Overprint/Separation Preview turned on: No transparency, Overprint Preview off. a transparent object on the page with a CMYK Transparency Blend space

rob day · ‎Apr 07, 2012

If you want to see that gutter, though, do what Rob suggested earlier: make the pages wider by 1/8". I'd add a slug top and bottom so you can make a note for the printer for where to trim, set the inside bleed to 0, and add a manual trim guide to denote the inside edge of the page and manual trim marks for the inside edges. Export using the document bleed setting and include the slug. I think manually adding an inside bleed for saddle stitch or perfect binding would potentially cause confusion at the printer as to what the actual trim size of the magazine is, particularly with an online printer where there's little or no communication. I've worked on hundreds of books and magazines with full page bleeds and crossovers and have never added a manual bleed or split pages—it's just not a problem when there are folded and gathered signatures. Wire-O is different, but even then I simply avoid designs where a photo or box stops at the gutter.

rob day · ‎Apr 07, 2012

If the trimming is done slightly off by mistake, these will show (albiet not much because they're in the gutter). For a typical magazine binding there would be no trim on the inside edge, the pages are imposed on the press sheet so it can be folded—all of the inside edges would lie on a fold. If the imposition doesn't allow for any paper creep the bleed would be eliminated during imposition because the inside trim (not the bleed) is aligned on the fold. For large signatures not allowing for creep will create a problem aligning objects positioned near the outer trim—in my example pages 8 and 9 are the inside spread and get pushed outward by the paper thickness when the signature is folded. If the imposition does allow for creep, the pages are incrementally pulled away from the spine depending on where they are in the signature–in my example 2-3 are pulled the furthest while 8-9 are not moved at all. Unless the paper creep amount is set too high, you'll never see the inside bleeds because the binding hides the creep amount.

rob day · ‎Apr 07, 2012

This might help with imposition and objects that hit the gutter and why you don't need to make adjustments in your pagelayout or worry about inside bleeds. These are from the simplest 16 page imposition out of ImposerPro where I've exaggerated the amount of creep Imposer will apply. You can see what happens to the same crossover image on 2-3 vs. 8-9:

rob day · ‎Apr 07, 2012

Their automated system needs to have a full bleed around each page (including the spine) or it will not accept the PDF. There's no reason why you can't include the inside bleed you are showing in post 1. If the magazine is correctly imposed you won't see any problems in the gutter—the bleeds will be buried in the binding or eliminated. They want the bleed for crossover images where creep is an issue—i.e. a crossover on pages 2 and 3 of a 16 page signature where the imposition might pull the two sides of the crossing image away from the spine to allow for paper creep. If a crossover is in the center of the signature (8 and 9) the imposition software would eliminate the bleed and butt the two pages together on the spine (there's no creep at the center spread).

rob day · ‎Apr 07, 2012

How on earth could you lay out a full color magazine with full-bleed graphics on every page without that feature? A magazine would be either saddle stitched or perfect bound, in both cases there's no need for an inside bleed. When the magazine is imposed at the printer some amount of creep will be applied to accommodate where the page meets the binding. Even if the creep amount is off you won't see a meaningful problem unless you break open the binding. In the case of a binding like wire-o where the inside trim is exposed you might need an inside bleed, and in that case the best approach is to build the bleed into the page.

rob day · ‎Apr 06, 2012

How's the book being bound? Unless it's something like a wire-o where there's an exposed inner trim you don't need an inner bleed.

rob day · ‎Mar 12, 2012

The address in post #77 is the most recent version and is working: http://www.zenodesign.com/forum/PageToPSLayersV3.zip

rob day · ‎Mar 10, 2012

Layered files are not a problem. You do have to consider gamut when placing RGB, so in Photoshop you want turn on proof Colors with the target CMYK space as the Proof Setup when making color corrections. If you want to read the CMYK values without making a conversion you can choose Proof Colors from the Info panel's eyedropper popup and you'll get the numbers for your target CMYK.

rob day · ‎Mar 10, 2012

To illustrate Peter's point take a saturated color like Adobe RGB 100|100|255. Convert it to US Sheetfed Uncoated and then to US Sheetfed Coated. Take the same color and convert directly to US Sheetfed Coated. The RGB>CMYK>CMYK conversion will get you something like 62|52|4|0, while the direct conversion will be a less clipped and more saturated 71|60|0|0.

rob day · ‎Mar 10, 2012

What different is btw. this approach and converting all images to CMYK using Ps and placing them to ID afterwards? There's no meaningful difference if the Color Settings are the same—destination profile, intent, and black point compensation.

rob day · ‎Mar 08, 2012

But, does this hold true for CMYK images placed in ID exporting PDF X-1a? If you place a US Sheetfed profiled image in a document assigned FOGRA it's going to get converted to FOGRA (the same way an AdobeRGB object would) on export to PDF/X-1a. PDF/X-1a does deliver a PDF without embedded profiles, but doesn't guarantee the delivered values are correct for the printing conditions. You have to either know the destination or be lucky. Christian does know the destination, so PDF/X-1a works assuming the printer is in fact printing to the FOGRA spec.

rob day · ‎Mar 08, 2012

and then the system makes a cmyk to cmyk conversion based on the incorrectly specified destination. The assumption with PDF/X-1a is that no conversions will be made at output—the exported CMYK numbers are correct for the device. If the US Sheetfed Coated numbers were output and printed on web newsprint without an additional conversion, the color appearance would be wrong—US Sheetfed produces a radically different separation than a newsprint profile like SNAP2007—in addition you would likely have total ink problems making the job unprintable. With PDF/X-4 you don't need to know the destination—an AdobeRGB image would have to have its source profile and could be correctly separated downstream for either device.

rob day · ‎Mar 08, 2012

unknown printer specs You have to know the printer specs to set the correct destination profile—you would have significant problems if the PDF/X-1a was exported for US Sheetfed Coated and the unknown destination was uncoated paper on a web press. PDF/X-4 is designed for unknown destinations, where every color object has a source profile. Without source profiles the correct conversions and flattening can't be made downstream when the destination is known.

rob day · ‎Mar 08, 2012

But please tell me - If all will be assigned to the profile during export, there will be ICC included in the PDF. But this is what my printer does not want... If you use the default PDF/X-1a preset all color except for spot colors will be converted into your document CMYK space, or if there's no assigned profile, the current Working CMYK space. PDF/X-1a does not allow profiles to be embedded—the assumption is all color is in the correct destination CMYK space on export and no further conversions will be necessary. You only need a profile if there's going to be a color conversion. PDF/X-1a does include an output intent, which is not the same as a profile. Acrobat can use the output intent for displaying CMYK and it also let's your printer know what profile was used to make the final CMYK conversion. If the job is printing on a coated sheet and they see a newsprint output intent, they would be wise to reject your file. Your printer doesn't want to be responsible for making color conversions either on purpose or by accident, so they don't want an embedded profile. If there's a color complaint they can correctly say they output the CMYK values you provided.

rob day · ‎Mar 08, 2012

So my first question is: If I save the As, with unchecked "include profile", will the colors in the image remain absolutely the same? Not necessarily. How ID handles placed images with conflicting profiles depends on how you set the Color Setting’s CMYK Color Management Policy when the document was created. If you chose Preserve Embedded then any placed image with a profile that conflicts with your document's profile will get converted to document CMYK when you export. So with Preserve Embedded, if you placed a CMYK image filled with 50% black with a US Coated SWOP profile in your doc that's assigned FOGRA39, the 50% black would get converted to a CMY mix on a PDF/X-a export. If you chose Preserve Numbers (Ignore Linked Profiles) or Off, then InDesign would ignore the SWOP profile and the 50% black would export unchanged. If you choose Off, the document get's no assignment and is color managed by the current CMYK working space. Also keep in mind that simply opening Color Settings and changing the CM policy doesn't change a document's policy. To change a doc policy you need to check Ask When Opening before opening the doc. In that case you'll get an option to change the existing document policy.

rob day · ‎Jan 28, 2012

If you manually add an inside bleed, you have to watchout for crossovers—you'll no longer be able cross a single image across the gutter without losing the part of the image that crosses over. You'll have to repeat the image on each page and offset for the bleeds.

rob day · ‎Jan 18, 2012

Eugene, Are you getting your ID named layers into AI? I get one layer (Layer 1) in AI with all of the ID objects as layer objects, which might be good depending on what your looking for. In my test file a column of text is cut up into lines with each on its own layer—the script would export the two user defined layers. The AI approach is definitely better if you want every object on its own layer. ID AI

rob day · ‎Jan 18, 2012

I just checked this link and it works http://www.zenodesign.com/forum/PageToPSLayersV3.zip

rob day · ‎Dec 27, 2011

Who wants a layout in PS anyway? Dang clients. You don't mean this is a print job? Hope you're getting paid up front. To include the PDF preset's crops you need to edit the script. Look for the 3 lines where the crop page is set to trim box and change to bounding box. So this: if colorMode is "CMYK" then set myOpenOptions to {class:PDF open options, constrain proportions:true, mode:CMYK, resolution:res, use antialias:aa, crop page:trim box} else if colorMode is "RGB" then set myOpenOptions to {class:PDF open options, constrain proportions:true, mode:RGB, resolution:res, use antialias:aa, crop page:trim box} else if colorMode is "Lab" then set myOpenOptions to {class:PDF open options, constrain proportions:true, mode:Lab, resolution:res, use antialias:aa, crop page:trim box} end if end if end if Needs to be: if colorMode is "CMYK" then set myOpenOptions to {class:PDF open options, constrain proportions:true, mode:CMYK, resolution:res, use antialias:aa, crop page:bounding box} else if colorMode is "RGB" then set myOpenOptions to {class:PDF open options, constrain proportions:true, mode:RGB, resolution:res, use antialias:aa, crop page:bounding box} else if colorMode is "Lab" then set myOpenOptions to {class:PDF open options, constrain proportions:true, mode:Lab, resolution:res, use antialias:aa, crop page:bounding box} end if end if end if

rob day · ‎Dec 27, 2011

I'm traveling, the script sets the PDF bounds to the trim, but it could include crops. I'll post something later today.

rob day · ‎Dec 21, 2011

In this forum it should be a question asked how to do something and then someone giving that answer, not mocking the way someone has setup there workflow. The answer was given—use a script. The scripting engine is comprehensive and it exists to extend the program when a feature is not universally desired as is the case here. There are a lot of free export scripts out there and it isn't a problem to include a preset list dialog. If you are using OSX I can post an Applescript that has one.

rob day · ‎Dec 16, 2011

find "string" in character/paragraph style x, change to "other-string" in character/paragraph style y There isn't a way to do it with the free text script, but you could do inside a script by looping through every paragraph, testing for the name then running your find and change sequence.

rob day · ‎Dec 15, 2011

It looks like you are trying to style the text between the HTML tags and then strip them right? Make a character style named "bold" and try this (I posted a table so you can cut and paste and keep the tabs): grep {find what:"(?<=<b>).*?(?=</b>)"} {applied character style:"bold"} {include footnotes:true, include master pages:true, include hidden layers:true, whole word:false} text {find what:"<b>"} {change to:"^S"} {include footnotes:true, include master pages:true, include hidden layers:true, whole word:false} text {find what:"</b>"} {change to:"^S"} {include footnotes:true, include master pages:true, include hidden layers:true, whole word:false}

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