GTX 670 2GB, whit last drivers Which one? It is not a PR problem, it is something else when it also happens with VLC, QuiRcktime and YouTube. ... View more

Alex, You raise a lot of questions in your post. I'll try to answer some of them. Would I do anything different now than I did several months ago? In essence, no. Well, the Corsair Performance Pro has been replaced by the Neutron GTX, so that would be a slight alteration. The video card is still up to date, but it is likely that nVidia will come out with the GeForce Titan in a few weeks, based on the GK110 chip, which currently is only used on the Tesla K20 cards.  Now that will be a nice card to consider, since it has a 384 bit memory bus, 2688 CUDA cores and 6 GB VRAM @ 5200 MHz. Price expected to be around $ 900. For the rest, nothing to change in my setup. Maximus IMO is a complete waste of money. From the few Maximus configurations I have seen in the PPBM5 Benchmark none made any impression, apart from the extravagant price. Performance was no better than a single GTX 660 Ti, despite the cost of a K6000 plus a C2075. I have not yet seen results with a Tesla K20. However, Adobe's claim of performance increases around 2000% appears to be accurate, since I found these kind of figures: where the first two observations were with a GTX 680 and the latter two with a GTX 660. Bear in mind that MPE Gain figures are usually higher on slower systems. I have no experience at all with BM products and have only heard about Resolve, but never used it. Simply said, I'm not qualified to answer your question with regards to Resolve, but if, and that is a big IF,  sometime in the future PR will support multiple video cards, like AE does now, then it might make sense to add a GeForce Titan card. In my system I have plenty of room for such an extra card even though I have to consider adding a 2-nd PSU and distributing the power consumers over the two power supplies to prevent problems. That entails having a second look at my fans on the PSU side of my case, but that is a minor issue. Recently someone mentioned that a dual CPU HP Z820 with similar performance as my system may well run into the $ 25 - 30 K range, because of the very costly external storage setup. Which brings me to your question about my raid array.  I don't need the storage space, it was purely for the speed and if money were no object  here and if I were to do it again, I would probably exchange the Seagate Constellation ES drives for the Seagate Constellation ES5 drives. During experimental testing I have found that sustained write speeds have a huge impact on export times. Exporting a three hour DV timeline to disk resulted in these figures: Note that all 4 systems have a separate disk for OS & programs and use for project, media and export the following setup: Harm i7-3930K: 3 x 7 Raid3 SATA striped to Raid30 BillG i7-980X: 1 x 8 Raid0 SCSI 15K BillG i7-2600K: 1 OCZ Vertex4 SSD BillG i7-2600K: 1 Seagate 7200.12 HDD Repeating this on a really SINGLE disk system (everything, OS, programs, project, media etc. on just 1 disk) gave 1841 seconds as the result. Hope this answers the bulk of your questions. ... View more

The EU requirement of 2 years is a minimum requirement. Not a maximum. Take for instance Seagate with their Barracuda 7200.14 line of drives. They give a one year manufacturer's warranty, so the seller has to give the 2-nd year of required warranty himself and that is why a lot of sellers took Seagate Barracudas off their list. It was just too big a risk.  The manufacturer warranty on the EVGA Classified, that I have is 3 years now, but when I bought it, it was still a lifetime warranty. ... View more

Francis, Let your choice be dependent on warranty, price, installed memory and clock speed. Nearly all A-brands, Asus, EVGA, Gigabyte, PNY, Point of View, Zotac etc. are good cards. I now use EVGA and it is reliable and comes with great utilities to overclock plus a lifetime warranty. ... View more

English not being my native tongue, only an acquired taste, forgive me for misinterpreting your post. What it actually takes to achieve the dramatic difference in export times. Good transfer rates. Keep in mind that SATA is a half duplex connection, so effective R/W rates on a single disk can easily be halved from what the marketeers claim. ... View more

exporting a three hour DV timeline on my machine (similar with replicated clips to create that length) takes around 21 seconds on my system in contrast to your 39 minutes This system is fully documented and available to see, for those interested. See http://ppbm7.com/index.php/final-results?showall=&start=2 That does not include writing the output file (which usually has 1/10th of the source bandwidth or so) or the possibility of a multi-layer sequence.) Wrong assumption. It does include writing. And the bandwidth is a bit higher than you assume too. So Harm's idea that using a few 7200rpm hard disks could magically cut export times by a factor of 110 - is rather unusual given what he is not telling us. Those are your words, not mine.  I only compared to My system.  But it appears you have overlooked or not read my messages. What am I not telling? ... View more

This is not a reasonable comparison, but exporting a three hour DV timeline on my machine (similar with replicated clips to create that length) takes around 21 seconds on my system in contrast to your 39 minutes. That means 21 seconds versus 2340 seconds. Over 110 times slower on your machine. If that does not bother you, great. The factor 1,000 came in when using a Pentium 4 with minimal memory as specced by Adobe. For a better comparison, try your exercise on a Pentium 4 with 4 GB memory and a single 5400 disk and see how long it takes. ... View more

If you were to compare a Dual Xeon setup that costs the same as an i7 setup, which would be better for the above and why? That is impossible.  Even dual Xeon i5-2620 CPU's cost way more than an i7-3930K (€ 720 versus € 515), dual Xeon motherboards are almost twice as expensive as single CPU 2011 boards, the memory for Xeon boards can be more expensive, etc. Dual E5-5620 systems are around 2.5 to 2.8 times slower than the fastest i7-3930K despite the higher cost, mainly because they can not be reasonably overclocked and their very low clock speed holds them back. If you spend around 20K on a dual Xeon system, it may come close to the fastest single i7-3930K system that costs only a fraction. ... View more

I cant run the benchmark tests as I can not even install the adobe products. So much for a great system that does not work... ... View more

Look forward to your PPBM5 results. See: http://ppbm5.com ... View more

Jim, With Win7 I did rather extensive tests with static pagefiles, ranging from 16 MB to large sizes and ran memory hungry applications on a system with only 12 GB memory and NEVER experienced a crash when the pagefile was 100% utilized and the system demanded more. ... View more

First of all, a SSD does not suffer from fill-rate degradation. Second, if I look at my three year old system - and you have no idea what kind of stuff you collect in three years - with Master Collections CS5, CS5.5 and CS6 installed plus all the plug-ins, testing tools, benchmarking programs, the PPBM5 and PPBM6 websites, and a whole lot of other stuff, I only use less than 80 GB of space, even though my pagefile is on another disk on this old system, so I think 128 GB should be more than enough. One hint. Even though Google Chrome is popular and very fast, it has the distinct disadvantage that it stores everything in your user profile, in contrast to Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer, both putting less strain on your SSD. Using Firefox is less demanding on your system and storage than Google Chrome, because of this weird behaviour. This only holds if there is more than one user on the system. ... View more

Did you use CleanScript? ... View more

Windows always requires a pagefile, even if you have not defined one. It will automatiocally create one if none is found at boot time. In size it can vary from 16 MB to 64 GB or even more. If the pagefile is fully used and there is no more space it either allocates the space for it, increasing the size of the file in the case of a dynamic (Windows default) file, or it uses the regular disk space to store intermediate results. This makes the system slower, but it does not hang the system. If you have a SSD as a boot drive, put it there. ... View more

Time for a reinstall of CS6. ... View more

What? And yes, I'd be insane to export a 3-hour timeline to the same drive, especially if it's a 5400rpm one. In your previous post you said: Someone editing 25Mbs DV files and outputting them to YouTube - can work on a $500 i3 laptop with a single 5400rpm drive just fine. I can't find any logic in your statements. On the one hand you can work just fine on a single 5400 rpm drive, but you have to be insane to do that. Encoding 12 minutes DV material to YouTube on a single 5400rpm drive, that surpasses Adobe minimum requirements, takes around 144 HOURS (6 days), at least after 2 hours of encoding it shows still 182 hours to go. On a fast system this takes around 8 minutes with the slow approach using the queue, and around 96 seconds with direct export. And the best part of it is that you can't remove the laptop from the wall outlet during those 6 days of encoding, thereby making the portability of a laptop a non-issue. That is only 1,080 times slower and even more when using Direct Export on a fast system, more than 5,000 times slower. IMO you have to be insane to advise people to adhere to or look at the minimum requirements Adobe publishes. I have always said the minimum requirements allow you a problem-free installation of the program, and for that purpose a single drive with at least 24.5 GB free space is sufficient, even if it is a 5400 or 4800 drive. Adobe does not mention a minimum speed. If you want more than just INSTALLING the program and you want to USE it, then the minimum requirements are absolutely ridiculous for PR, AME and AE. Jim was right that often you defy simple logic. Exporting a 3 hour timeline or a 10 minute timeline makes no difference in performance. A fast system is still around 630 times faster on DV Export. On exporting DV to YouTube a fast system is still more than 1,000 times faster than a notebook that exceeds Adobe minimum requirements. With these facts established, I can not understand why you are so stubborn in calling a two disk practical requirement 'bogus' and at the same time say it is 'just fine' to edit with a single disk, but you have to be insane to use only a single disk. There is no logic at all in your statements, at least I cannot discern it. The only thing I see is a strict adherence to the letter of the law, in this case Adobe's law. I hope that these practical tests, including exporting DV to YouTube opens your eyes to the utterly unrealistic marketing tricks by Adobe. You know I often defend Adobe, but here they have screwed up so majorly with very misleading information that it ultimately results in bad feelings about the company. On the longer term it is very destructive. If we forget about OE in the questions asked here, but look only at people very disappointed with their systems performance, hiccups, jitters, choppy playback and issues like that, it is often caused by people believing the Adobe minimum requirements and making their purchasing decision based on these and ending up with a system that just is not capable of what they see in demonstrations, on-line video's and training movies. That is not good. ... View more

That is because all the Adobe programs in Program Files are 64 bit applications and all programs in Program Files(x86) are 32 bit applications. ... View more

The one negative consequence it does have is that in the rare event the page files does need to be made larger, you're screwed. In what way? Does the system hang? No. Does it no longer work? No. Does it get slower? Yes. How often does that happen? Around never. ... View more

And that is a unfounded personal perspective of yours, Harm. Again a wrong assumption. Take a simple 3 hour DV single track timeline on a single disk 5400 RPM system, way faster in CPU than a Pentium 4, in contrast to a fast system and the export time is around 12,600 seconds on a single 5400 RPM disk and around 20 seconds on a fast system. That is a whopping 630 times slower. If you call that unfounded, go ahead, but I have run various editing projects on three different machines, not benchmark projects, but real life editing projects and the differences are huge between what Adobe calls minimum requirements (even when you surpass them) and what I call practical minimum requirements. Now who is being stubborn? Insisting that two physical drives is a minimum requirement without knowing the demands of the wokflow is utter insanity. Someone editing 25Mbs DV files and outputting them to YouTube - can work on a $500 i3 laptop with a single 5400rpm drive just fine. Call me insane, but when you tell people that a 630 times slower workflow is 'just fine', maybe you ought to reconsider that stance. ... View more

How realistic are the system requirements Adobe posts on their site? System requirements Windows Intel® Pentium® 4 or AMD Athlon® 64 processor with 64-bit support; Intel Core®2 Duo or AMD Phenom® II processor required for Adobe® Premiere® Pro, After Effects®, and Encore®; Intel Core i7 processor required for Adobe SpeedGrade™ Microsoft® Windows® 7 with Service Pack 1 (64 bit) and Windows® 8. Refer to the CS6 FAQ for more information about Windows 8 support.* 2GB of RAM (4GB recommended) for 32 bit; 4GB of RAM (8GB recommended) for 64 bit 14.5GB of available hard-disk space for installation; additional free space required during installation (cannot install on removable flash storage devices) Additional disk space required for disk cache, preview files, and other working files (10GB recommended) 1280x900 display with 16-bit color and 512MB of VRAM; 1680x1050 display required, and second professionally calibrated viewing display recommended for SpeedGrade OpenGL 2.0–capable system Sound card compatible with ASIO protocol or Microsoft WDM/MME DVD-ROM drive compatible with dual-layer DVDs (DVD+-R burner for burning DVDs; Blu-ray burner for creating Blu-ray Disc media) Java™ Runtime Environment 1.6 (included) Eclipse™ 3.7 (for plug-in installation of Adobe Flash® Builder®); the following distributions are supported: Eclipse IDE for Java EE and Java Developers, Eclipse Classic, Eclipse for PHP Developers QuickTime 7.6.6 software required for QuickTime features, multimedia, and HTML5 media playback Dedicated GPU card required for SpeedGrade (for optimal performance in SpeedGrade and for GPU-accelerated features in Adobe Premiere Pro and After Effects: NVIDIA Quadro 4000, 5000, or 6000 or other Adobe-certified GPU card with at least 1GB of VRAM recommended); visit www.adobe.com/products/premiere/extend.html for supported cards Optional: Tangent CP200 family or Tangent Wave control surface for SpeedGrade Optional: For SDI output, NVIDIA Quadro SDI Output card required for SpeedGrade Optional: 7200 RPM hard drive (multiple fast disk drives, preferably RAID 0 configured, recommended) for video products This software will not operate without activation. Broadband Internet connection and registration are required for software activation, validation of subscriptions, and access to online services.† Phone activation is not available. You have to be from another world to believe these requirements. Note the last optional statement. Up to and including CS4 this stated: Dedicated 7200 RPM hard drive (multiple fast disk drives, preferably RAID 0 configured) for video products. Nobody in his right mind believes that system requirements get lower over time. It is purely a marketing lie to artificially lure prospective buyers. The requirement to have two physical disks for CS6 is bogus. If anything is bogus, it is the system requirements from Adobe and only fools would try to use a system with these minimum requirements, like this: Pentium 4 with 4 GB of RAM, 24.5 GB of hard disk space is enough according to them. Harm is confusing editing with getting high PPBM scores, I am afraid - again.  Not all projects have 10 layers of H.264 stacked with heavy effects for two hours straight.  The vast majority of editing is simple transitions and effects with 10 minutes of YouTube encoding twice a week. Wrong assumption. I was thinking of a simple DV timeline with one single track. And however much you dislike the PPBM benchmark, it is the only available tool to show how well a system is setup and in balance. Question: Is your dislike of the benchmark based on the fact that your favorite HP Z820 does not do well? ... View more

If you have the time to finish your project (singular) by the time you reach retirement age, go ahead, but it will stress your patience. Such a system is only 80 - 120 times slower than a fast desktop with a nVidia card or even worse with an AMD card. There is not much difference between requirements for CS5 or CS6. ... View more

No. Still does not meet minimum requirements. Look at a laptop with: i7 quad core, preferably with HT 16 GB or more memory nVidia GTX 650M or better video card 1920 x 1080 monitor resolution at least two 7200 RPM internal disks or one internal 7200 RPM SATA plus one external 7200 RPM eSATA disk. USB2 is too slow. Did you take a look at the link I gave you in post #1? ... View more

For one, it does not have the monitor resolution required, which requires at least 900 vertical resolution. It does not have two physical different SATA 7200 RPM drives. If you want to work in the blind, without seeing the complete user interface and guessing at the option you choose on a system slower than molasses in winter, go ahead, but the people at PC WORLD do not know what they are talking about. They are from another world. ... View more

It does not meet minimum requirements. See What laptop to get for CS5 or CS6. ... View more