I think for HARMAN at this point it's more about resource management and short term success. That's what their next moves are going to try to answer. They said they want to make money and bring new user to the tech so they need to figure out what's the right type of "new features" that's gonna attract new developers and that their own resources can handle. It's probably more about overall strategy than about adding this or that to the tech. ... View more

Huge news for you? In what way? If it's because there will be a solution for Android deadline then yes in that sense it's huge news. If it's because AIR might get saved from oblivion then that's going to be easier said than done. HARMAN is picking up AIR at its lowest point ever (thanks Adobe), what can they truly do from there is anyone's guess but the challenge is simply enormous. I can see hope but excitement I really don't get that. Do you really not see how difficult this is going to be for HARMAN? If so then what do you think their chances of bringing back AIR to the top really is: 90%? 100%? For the record at this point my guess is about 5% and I'm being generous. ... View more

More pessimistic than me about AIR? Is this even possible? Challenging task for HARMAN for sure, who can argue with that (some do apparently and claim everything's fine and smells like roses)? I'm not even sure if that type of task has been attempted before at all, or even less attempted with success. This will be a "phoenix" type of rebirth if that ever happens. I guess if that does happen there will be something very special to learn from it, right now my mind cannot put a realistic scenario together where this is possible at all. I'd love to be wrong as always. ... View more

Stop talking about this, stop talking about that, we've seen a lot of these lately on these forums. But it's not all about AIR, people depend on it, people livelihood depend on it, customers depend on it and so decisions have to be taken whether you are indy developer or a company and those are hard decisions with long term consequences. Optimism or pessimism ultimately won't pay bills, whether you pick the right tech and make the right choice will. AIR is not dead yet but is not looking good and is on its last leg and if HARMAN goal is to bring back AIR as a relevant cross platform tech then who can argue this is going to be a huge and enormous challenge? Not impossible sure, but personally I don't see how a tech can come back from the state AIR is in. AIR is certainly not reborn yet either. The purpose of expressing those opinions, yours and mine, is so people can make informed decisions. - I read those posts and I decide that yes, I feel confident my livelihood can still depend solely on AIR for years to come. - I read those posts and I decide that no, I can no longer count on AIR solely for my livelihood and need to look for alternative asap. Whether path anyone take the information was right here and none of it was hidden and this is a good thing. ... View more

One can always wonder why the popularity of AIR went down so badly. It's not the tech as there's really nothing wrong with it overall. End of Flash didn't help for sure but personally I think it's mostly due to Adobe itself. Adobe dropped the ball on Flash (btw still the best tech for the web today even though it's dead next year), Adobe dropped the ball on AIR, Adobe dropped the ball on Coldfusion. That's it, anything that involves a programming language, Adobe will make sure to kill it slowly. People have seen that Adobe was reducing its investment/resources in AIR, people have seen that there hasn't been any major innovation for years with the tech. And as a result the tech started to be mentioned less in forums and articles and eventually completely disappeared. If a young developer ask in dev forums today what cross platform tech he should use/try, AIR will not be mentioned. This is what is killing AIR and ending it. The good news is that Adobe is not handling AIR anymore so suddenly AIR has a chance even if it's only a very small one. ... View more

You forgot the best part of the quote: "Special mention to zwetan_uk for being so wrong about so many things .... No, AIR is not "fine", everything is not "normal", Adobe is not still "committed" ...." Also just so you are up to date zwetan_uk, Adobe not publishing AIR33 is not just (quote) "a simple delay". Moving on .... ... View more

From "AIR is dead for Adobe in June 2019" to "AIR is dead" is plain misrepresentation. I know how this works, by quoting "AIR is dead" instead of the real quote "AIR is dead for Adobe in June 2019", you make sure to get more people agreeing with you and more disagreeing with me. This is a well known tactic of deception that is more and more used nowadays. If people fall for it then too bad for them, they should read posts more carefully. I know what I said and in what context I said it and it is NOT what you posted and complain about. If you were commenting on something I said or implied I would respond but since you are just playing the "out of context" game I have nothing else to add except calling you out on it. 5 people already liked your post, misrepresentation is so easy and so efficient ... ... View more

Here you have it: don't talk about other technologies and don't criticize AIR and go away. Let AIR stay in its own BUBBLE and surely this will ensure its rebirth. Any of you who thinks THAT WAY here in these forums is actively working to END AIR for good, you might not know it, you might not realize it, but you are. In today's world there are cross platform technologies that are successful and AIR is NOT one of them, there are cross platform technologies that are being abandoned and AIR IS one of them. That's reality, if you can't realize that to start with, you are UNABLE to help AIR survive and you are probably helping AIR die for good. - To become relevant again AIR MUST look at what makes other technologies successful. - To become relevant again AIR MUST look at its own defaults and problems. Trying actively to STOP that type of discussion as some of you do is trying actively to end AIR for good. AIR is on life support right now and the "only send positive vibes" argument will help make recovery impossible. ... View more

I haven't heard of it and just checked it out and it does indeed look pretty cool. C# directly in a HTML page? What? Gee! I wish I had a project right now that could use it just so I can find an excuse to try it. ... View more

I agree without the web target I'm not sure how AIR can be really attractive to new comers. Some here say the web target doesn't matter but I do disagree. It's harder to find AIR attractive as a cross platform without it imo. ... View more

What I mean by different market is that Xamarin focuses only on mobile (that's 2 OS only) and that's the main reason they can offer such a good performance because they compile to native with a small trade of in perf. AIR cannot do that but does offer more platform support. So they both are a perfect fit for 2 very different needs. ... View more

Oh gee, I had a brain fart it seems, I thought all along this was about console command dev. No Console games of course! Forget I commented on this. ... View more

Absolutely, Xamarin is the best option after native for mobile dev especially in term of perf. Now AIR plays (or is supposed to) in a different market so we shouldn't try to compare the two really. It's worth noticing that flutter claims to get similar perf as Xamarin but I haven't got any precise information about that. C# is definitely a beautiful and very modern language and while I like AS3 for its simplicity it really feels way behind in comparison with C#. I really don't like Dart on the other hand so that's why I still resist doing a deep check on flutter but it's definitely getting momentum and is becoming harder to ignore. ... View more

A few years back an Adobe engineer told me that yeah the SoundAPI is crap but fixing it would be a huge undertaking and Adobe would never go for it. Based on that I'm not sure the 5 to 10 points work here but maybe he was wrong and if he was how come this has not been fixed since FP9 if it was so easy? ... View more

I'd like to know more on this, why using a cross platform tech to do console dev? What is the advantage of using a cross platform tech for that? How much do you use/share of your console project code base with other project types? ... View more

If you really think for one second that I implied C# was a framework then I can't wait to see what else you are gonna post on these forums .... It's gonna be worth the read. ... View more

Let's keep everything in check here: Xamarin, yes it runs faster then AIR and Unity and it's fun to work with but the downside is that it has only 2 targets, Android + Ios. It does just that and it does it the best way possible. Very difficult to create a cross platform code that can be used to output to desktop and/or web. I was able to create a base code that could run on all platforms but that base code did represent about 30% of the whole project. Maybe you can reach 40 or 50% but that's far from what we could do with AIR (when it had a web target) where without ANE you would get a near 100% compatible code base. Unity, no it's not .NET powered, it uses C# (it used to allow Python and javascript as well), it's faster than AIR in 3D but in 2D results vary from one developer to the next. It's also very good at what it does and does deserve its success. You could make a case that AIR is less attractive than Unity or flutter especially once it becomes subscription based since as of now AIR supports LESS platforms than those 2. As far as performance AIR might have fallen behind a bit but it can catch up. It's worth noting also that out of all cross platform tech AIR has the worse SoundAPI with latencies at above 60ms while industry standards accept 30ms max (and all cross platform tech except AIR stick to 30ms max or below). Yes AS3 is lacking features in comparison to modern languages. Adobe gave up on ASNext and that doesn't help. Not sure what HARMAN can do about this but a more attractive language can make a big difference. ... View more

"AIR is dead for Adobe in June 2019" is not a negative comment but a fact. Don't force me to post the OFFICIAL Adobe released statement. As for "As for HARMAN, it's not that difficult to read between the lines" they responded to it and I assume you did read their post and liked what it said? If so then you are welcome. ... View more

Not sure this is the correct format to post ideas but for me AIR would be more attractive (not especially better) to new developers if it had: - a fixed SoundAPI (since FP9 the AS3 SoundAPI has been the worse on the market, even HTML5 beats it in every way) - a web target. (if this was NOT relevant I think flutter and Unity would NOT have it) ... View more

I don't think those forums here are really what makes people not use AIR anymore or scare them away. As I said many times there are many cross platform dedicated forums and articles out there and AIR is not mentioned in there anymore. This is THE problem and this is what will need to change if AIR is to have any future. We can all spend all day long posting here 20 times a day how amazing AIR is it WILL NOT bring back people to the tech. This is actually the time (if there was ever any) where criticism of AIR on these forums is the most needed. HARMAN is reading those posts and they need to make AIR more relevant so what better way to give them clues than to tell them what's wrong with AIR. Right now if all you want to say is: "AIR is awesome" then you are NOT helping cos HARMAN has no use for it. ... View more

You are missing the point completely, if there's a time to criticize AIR or talk about why AIR was not considered for a project it is NOW. HARMAN has no use right now for "I love AIR so much please give me more", this will not help them make a better AIR or a more attractive AIR. They need, they want, criticism NOW, they want to know WHY people don't pick AIR NOW. How else are they supposed to make it better? Looking at a crystal ball? So please think about this for 2 minutes and then WELCOME criticism of AIR and ask for more. ... View more

Yes it's a market and it's a cross platform market as well. I think AIR must get in there to be more relevant so for me web publishing option is a must. ... View more

You need to look at the big picture, web option could make a big difference for AIR surviving. For example, Flash banners used to be everywhere, today it's all HTML5/Webgl and it's not done in Unity but it's possible some will start doing those in flutter. Anyway the point is there's not many option when it comes to make banners but what if AIR becomes another option? Now you'll get more people looking at AIR for developing their marketing banners. AIR will get mentioned more in forums as an alternative dev cross platform. This is one way marketing can work, little steps, become more relevant for more specific jobs so that people talk. So yeah you can do without web option but that's a lot of people, tons of people, that will have no reason to talk about AIR in their forums/articles. Tech success depends on people talking about it so give them as much reasons as possible to talk about AIR. ... View more

Well Andrew said they want new comers, they want to attract new developers to AIR. I think he's correct, this is the goal number one if they want this tech to survive and have a future. Now as I said, it's not impossible but clearly it's not gonna be easy and it's gonna be challenging. First, marketing of course and I don't really qualify to give advice on this. Second, don't focus on AIR features, focus on AIR attractiveness and by that I mean reassure new comers: yes AIR is in good hand, yes AIR has a future, yes AIR will get bunch of nice new features, etc ... You do this by pushing regular updates, adding new interesting features, a framework that is very ACTIVE is a framework that is attractive. Third, new feature? Personally I think the loss of web publishing option was a big deal (yes you can still publish to Flash but it's useless now), so option to publish to : webassembly/html5/webgl (any really) just like Unity or flutter does. This would boost the interest of AIR immediately. Now can they do it? Can they pull it off? I really wish they do, but it's not gonna surprise anyone I'm not very optimistic right now. ... View more

There's no special way to upload/download on mobile, this is a simple network transfer. The AS3 docs have plenty of examples about how to do this. ... View more

You have a memory leak probably. It means the app is creating objects (can be anything) but not qualifying them for GC (not removing correctly references). To keep track of objects destruction/non destruction, you can use a Dictionary (probably in a static class) with weakreference = true and store in there all objects you want to monitor. Then you can watch that dictionary size. If you are interested with that system of monitoring object destruction and want more info just let me know. ... View more

Attracting new people to this tech is gonna be your challenge number one. I agree at this point AIR is not especially "bad" in comparison to other similar tech but it lacks clear commitments/means for its future (from Adobe) and so people have been dropping out and new people are not touching it. It's also hard to find any mention of AIR in any cross platform dedicated forums/articles. How do you turn this around NOW is clearly a difficult question but one your company is gonna have to find a clear answer to if your intention is really to jump start this tech again. Imo you won't be able to do this without clear roadmaps (probably very ambitious roadmaps) and aggressive marketing (if nobody knows what you are doing with the tech then nobody will pick it up). ... View more

Apache Flex latest release was 2 years ago. Again I was "lucky" to foresee a lack of future since Flex was not mobile compliant and despite Apache amazing work in turning around the framework and pulling together a "mobile friendly" skin, all this was way too late. Again Adobe passed the hot potato way too late long after most have already left. There was no saving it. You are not convinced Adobe is abandoning AIR despite Adobe officially publishing article saying it's abandoning AIR in June 2019? The terms were "we are dropping support as of June 2019" and "we will provide BASIC security update until 2020". If this is not "abandoning" then I sure don't know what that word means. Adobe handling of the situation was: no AIR33 release, months of silence, and out of the blue announcing immediate dropping of AIR support and passing over to HARMAN the "hot potato". If none of this worries you then clearly nothing will. ... View more

Well said, of course I never said AIR was bad and I don't think anyone has here, I love that tech. For me it has been clear for a few years Adobe was managing instead of improving the tech and thus I was warning people (for me this is HELPING people) that the fate of AIR seemed to follow closely the fate of Flash. Adobe passing the baby over to HARMAN without warnings was a surprise (not a good one, I always thought Adobe would warn us a bit) so Adobe is done with AIR, that part is over. As for HARMAN you are right, nothing is certain, but "nothing is certain" is not very encouraging in AIR current situation. Again I hope I'm wrong, I'm kind of tired of being right about what Adobe is doing or not doing. There has never been anything wrong with Flash and AIR, how is it that we are ending up without both? I don't want to blame it all on Adobe but, yeah. ... View more

First, you put words in my mouth that I never ever said so you are despicable and dishonest. Second, everything I said on these forums for years have come true whether people believe it or not. So people like you can call me what you want except: WRONG, cos I have been right this whole time. - I said Adobe will give up on Flash soon so be ready, people here didn't believe it, called me name, guess what? I was right. - I said Adobe will give up on AIR soon so be ready, people here didn't believe it, called me names, guess what? AGAIN, I was right. What I never said and makes you a liar of the worse kind, is that there's something wrong with AIR. AIR is a good tech, I always said it like I always said what's really wrong is that Adobe is in charge of it. So yeah keep on dreaming and calling me names but I've been 100% right every single time, all you can hope for is that I'm going be (finally!) wrong this one (and last) time .... ... View more