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I agree with you no need to upgrade as the coast of ram is very high and even if it was the same cause as early last year it is a lot of money to rtow at a system for minimal performance boost. I do think that TR2 will have the ability to split some sores and allow us to pick the highest overclocking cores just like Intel. I cant see myself changing this pc for at least three to four years. By then AMD and Intel will have perfected their high end CPUs and maybe AdOBE will have improved their software by then also? 
Mike
Hey ouch! ok thanks for the heads up! I will not download it. Let me know if you download an update after that is stable.
Btw, I got a link for a beta of AI Suite: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14NC...HRxfZScgh/view
It fixes the bug which reverts back to balanced, so Fan Xpert, etc works and keeps it on Ryzen Balanced. App Boost still doesn't save the "ON" feature though.
Also I have a faster more snappy system with Nvidia 388 Driver serie, so Im not updating to the latest 391 which made my tools slower. Just so you know
Wow Thank you for the heads up on this. Here are my settings in the BIAS.
- Enter the BIAS
- Go to the EXTREME TWEAKERS section.
- D.O.C.P.: Turn to NO
- CPU Core ratio. Set to 40
- Memory frequency. My Ram Settings are. 2800MHz I entered these manually as it was set to 3200MHz when I enabled D.O.C.P. and they wont run at that setting.
- TPU. Change to TPUII
- CPU Core Voltage. Set to OFFSET Mode.
- CPU Core Voltage offset. Set to 0.03125
- Go To Advanced Mode.
- Go to AMD CBS. Select ZEN Common options. Change to Enabled.
- Go to OC mode. Select OC1
- Go to the Boot menu. Select FAST BOOT and enable it.
- Next boot after power loss. Set to fast boot.
The system will run at stock speeds when not under load but will ramp up automatically when under load with the above settings.
Thank you for the link to the update for the 5 way optimisation APP. This is working beautifully now EVEN WITH THE LATEST BIOS 0902.
Here are some screen grabs before and after I update the program.
1:This test was carried out before I downloaded the updated program. Notice the high temps? This was on the 0902 BIOS????
2: This test was run with the latest updates from the link you sent me. Notice these the difference in temps here and the system was already hot from testing.
3: Here is another screen grab. The system in now in idle now for about ten minutes and the temps were still dropping. As I post this the temps are now 30c.
There is a big improvement when you turn on the Boost app. Hope this helps you in some way.
Could you post your bios settings so I could try them please. Now I know that you have other commitments so when you get time you could post them. It would also be nice to see some screen grabl like i posted above.
Kindest regards.
Mike
No I don't use the Rison master software. It is installed but I don't use it. The reason I have set up my system like this is that when not under load like browsing the web and emails etc the system is ultra quiet and doesn't draw much power atall. When I start up any programs that require more raw power the ps qust ramps up to 4.1GHz and above with the turbo app enabled.
How you have your system set up?
Mike
Hey, ah I don't mean Ryzen Master (I dont use that for overclocking) but I mean the powerplan from AMD, which comes with the Chipset driver, which makes the system run more silent and optimized and also turboboost single core performance. It's definately recommended for a silent and fast system.
I mean this:
THanks for all the info btw,....this is what I wrote earlier which got lost:
I will see later if I'm going to finetune a bit more, based on yours. Currently I finally have a system that is fast and responsive and stable and I spent so much time getting to this point I now feel that I dont want to tamper with it.
For BIOS I didn't make much changes, it was mostly Voltage and Core tweaks, I aslo use TPU II.
I actually downlocked it again to 3.925GhZ because I had to keep it at 1.375 V for the CPU to be stable at 4.0GhZ (probably because I have so many ram slots occupied). and that made my machine quite noisy. I figured if I could get the voltage a bit down without too much speed drop it would give me a more silent machine. Now currently I set it to 3.925 GhZ with 1.3V as MANUAL not OFFSET. But I don't know what is best of those. But with 1.3V my system runs quite a few degrees cooler and 65C at full load over time.
For RAM I had it set to 1.3 V to get the ram at 2400mhz, which was what Corsair said was safe. But my machine still did a few Bootloops from time to time when booting up. So I raised it to 1.305, which actually worked. Now the ram is stable! 
So very close finetuning there.
I will not use the Asus TurboApp, for me I have to turn it on every time I reboot, and that's not something I'm gonna waste time remember every day. So I have contacted Asus and they will look into fixing it as well. Hopefully they will, since it is a nice feature. But pretty useless if its not automatic.
So currently I only use the FanXpert in the AI Suite, since it has the ability to choose time on ramping up fans. Currently my system runs at a constant 40-45 C and I dont ramp up the fans unless it reaches 55c, because a silent system is most important to me. So now its only noisy when it runs on full load.
Here's a screenshot, though it doesn't say much. With the Ryzen Balanced powerplan all cores is set to 4.5 GhZ all the time, but it doesnt make my system hot or noisy unless its running hard on all cores. According to AMD this has no big effect on powerusage either.
Yes I have my system in balanced mode also. My setting however donl look like yours? Mine are the Windows balanced settings Not the AMD Ryzen ones like yours? I am on Windows 10 pro! where did you find the Ryzon one?
Here is a screenshot of the detup that shows the Ryzon /Asus/ Task manager and the GPU-z panel.
As you see here. I get 4.5 ghz and a maximum of 65c. THe single score is a bit lower than 165 after I downclocked it to keep it silent. But if I use the turboapp on single core I get 165, and I will use that once asus fix the bug of it not being enabled on reboot. My temps never pass 65c. This is with Ryzen Balanced, I get a lower performance without it. Don't mind the thread graph being ueven, its because the CPU test doesnt last long enough. If I render an image they all stay at max, and Ryzen balanced makes small dips once in a while to keep the CPU stable.
Hi DB. Sorry for the late reply. Well I've done some more testing and you can see the results in the link below. I run
1. Blender BMW render test & GPU-Z test run simultaneously with the GPU set to 39.25GHz. Please note the times taken for this test and compare with the single test below in NO:2.
2. Blender BMW test only with the CPU set to 4 GHz. This test alone doesn't allow the CPU to run at it's 4GHz setting. Note time taken with this test.
I will download the CineBench test and run it and see what temps my system runs at under load.
Cheers.
Mike
Well I finally got a chance today to run the CineBench test. The Clock speed was changed back to 39.25 in the bias and the Asus turbo app for CineBench was set at 40.00.
I run the test one with the Turbo app ON and with it OFF. The results are posted below.
Mike
1: Turbo app NO.
2: Turbo app off
update to my previous tests. I run the single core test with the Asus turbo boost on and set to 40Gh.
Mike
thanks! yeah I think you reached the same close limit as I have. If you want to keep the system at a decent temperature, 3.9-4.0 ghz is the sweet spot, around 65c with a regular aio liquid cooler. And a benchmark score of around 160 singlecore and 3000-3300 for multicore. As long as I cannot get a huge jump up from this I won't be doing any more overclocking now I think. My system is very quiet and completely stable now. Fans are barely audible unless the machine is under heavy stress. To get above 3.925 I have to up the voltage and I need to ramp up the fans.
if I can get 158 or 165 single core, won't really give me a noticeable difference in Photoshop and After Effects - just slightly. My previous machine with 6850K I got a single core score well above 190 
So the single core score was amazing! But now with the new zenith extreme and the Ryzen Balanced which is boosting the cpu when it can, the machine doesn't feel slow anymore...even though After Effects has a responsive edge on my other machine. But the 16 cores are so great when I use them that I feel it's worth the trade-off.
THen again, if any person will be asking me, what CPU to get for creative work, within the Adobe realm and 2D work in general (image and video), I will never say that Threadripper is the way to go, because unless one need the extra cores, clockspeed always wins.
I will stick with this machine a long time. But if the next threadripper has some insane clockspeed improvements while using the same socket, I will probably replace it. But I doubt it, it seems AMD is aiming for more cores now rather than higher clockspeed, but we shall see a threadripper 2 with better ram support and ghz of 4.5 would have been amazing.
Well I am not sorry I got the AMD-1950x. as I think it is a wonderful CPU. The Intel alternative I think would caust $1600.00 and give me nothing extra! Yes the ram still is a problem but this is partly my own falt, I should have checked more closely ang got the 14cl ram. I am still waiting on ASUS to release updates to make my ram work at its rated speed of 3200 if this happens at all that is? I do believe the the next round of Treadripper will have better single core performance and allow us to pick certain cores that can clock hightr.
Here's hoping. :>)
Mike
Hi Mike, yeah long time no talk
Yeah I had some issues time and time again. But everything is "ok" now.
First of all I struggled a lot to get the cooling ok. Remember I bought the Enermax 360? I ditched that and went back to Noctua. Because the Enermax was way to noisy for me. Also it didn't really help with the cooling compared to the Noctua, only in the beginning.
So I started investigating how I applied thermal paste. And the last thing I ended up with was a single grain, just slightly larger than on a regular CPU size. And after that cooling was much better and system got stable in the long run. I tried every other way, but I noticed once I added paste on the entire CPU, over time it degraded and temperatures were rising.
I stopped using the Asus Suite and App boost, it just wasn't stable and not a very good software in my opinion.
And actually I have removed all overclocking. Because Amd turbo boost turns off once you start overclock. And with the turboboost and noctua cooler, the CPU hits 4ghz on single core. SO for After Effects and Photoshop, Cinebench single core, etc it performs better without overclocking. So now my machine has the best performance for Single core I can get, its silent with Noctua and it doesn't swallow the same amount of wattage it would with overclocking.. And honestly I have no use for the slightly better all core performance. 16 cores on 3.4 is completely fine.
But yeah, I had more problems with this CPU than I have ever had before, both with performance (in adobe apps particularly) and with ram.
But, its an expensive motherboard and supposedly good setup. So I am actually considering upgrading to 2950x, since it has higher clock speed and turboboost to 4.4, and also a better XFR and precision boost 2. So from what I have seen so far it does a lot better on single core scores, which would be nice in AE and adobe software.
If I would not have been reliant on 3d rendering, which I sadly am, I would buy the i9 8700K in an instant. It's silly fast for single core programs. And would be a wonder to work with in After Effects. It handles maximum 64 gb of ram though, just so you know...but that's enough for most people. .
My other pc which I have in my office, has an overclocked Intel CPU running at 4.4 all the time with turbo boost as well. I get 190 single core score in Cinebench, compared to 160 with my 1950x, and the difference makes a great deal in both Photoshop, After Effects and Premiere.
But in general, apart for a slower performance in After Effects...Everything else is pretty smooth. And Photoshop is quite ok actually, not so much slower. Im talking about program snappyness, because the user experience and live ram preview is more important to me than if a video takes 30 seconds less to render.
Good to see that your treadripper is working well for you. Unfortunately I am not having the same experience as you. Like you I have returned to using the AMD Ryzen master app but I did overclock my ram to 3200MHz with the latest Asus bios update!. Now I have gone back to 2933MHz when my system shut down suddenly and I had problems restarting it. My feeling is it is the motherboard is the problem and not the CPU. Regarding the new 2950X I will skip it as from the performances I've seen it doesn't really perform much better than the 1950X in the tests I've seen. For me I reily only use PScc & LRcc and a couple of other photo editing programs. The big problem for me is Adobe doesn't utilise the high core CPUs and especially AMD's CPUs? It's like Adobe is in bed with Intel????
Regarding cooling I changed my cooling and now have an open loop system with two large rads for the CPU only and my temps are in the high 20 with a max temps on the 50s. My experiences with the Asus motherboard is the VRMs bo get a lot hotter than any other part of my system. I was even considering going for full bloch CPU&VRM cooling but now I think I will just leave it. I do however like the Asus products and will probably get the Asus rog Maximus Hero Wifi ac board and the intel i7-8700K cpu. I am also thinking of just putting my old X99 system with the i7- 6850K back to work?
What do you think?
Regards.
Mike
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