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fuzzy.. I like the xmas story...and here's what I get about that as far as the helicopter goes...
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OK, let's try to step aside for a moment. Let's imagine we are not making a Product, we just want to buy a Christmas gift for a kid. We need a box to accommodate all things – this is something what unites everything and makes a gift a gift. We decided to present the kid a helicopter – this is our primary item (Movie, The)
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So my storyboard is the helicopter...as far as it goes toward making that product. to put in the box. right ?
now... you're confusing me here cause I am storyboarding the helicopter ( lets say the blueprint and stuff to make that product to put in box ??
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Really? You sorta bring them repeatedly, but somehow think they can't be used in a stroybord because they are not about a gold paper, they are about helicopter, which you're not going to buy
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so I am buying the helicopter...am trying to make the blueprint to make the helicopter .. right ? isnt that the storyboard ??
The gold paper and box etc is the project and so on.. the larger picture of the overall project and delivery etc... right ??
anyway, so far we got my storyboard and your storyboard and somehow we should maybe just vote on which one more closely resembles something we are able to do now. As the helicopter.
Mine is way easier than yours. IMO.
So I vote that we use mine.
Your modeling stuff fits into at least 2 places.
Once you decide what you can accomplish by dec 14 we can further adjust storyboard to make that happen.
Just get my backstory in your head ... and imagine what that is..and then let us know what you're thinking about what you want to do. Then we fit it into our helicopter.
this is turning into a very interesting view of the " business " of making movies etc...
I know for a fact that its a business.
I also know that many times ( 99 % of time ) those who actually are at the TOP of making product and distribution etc do many things before looking at any script.
For example, stars are chosen to act in the helicopter. they may or may not get on board right away..due to agents and money and points etc.
Then the distribution guys yap about that end of things ( wrapping the box in nice paper and ribbons )
Then the other peripheral things come into play ( media push to get articles and reviews and critics on board even before the helicopter is made or that script is read by actors etc )
Most of the action in the beginning is about who had money to invest and become 'producers' and who is gonna get what in returns if the helicopter can actually fly and excite the people ( audience ) and get money from them to play with the helicopter.
This project is doing some nice things as far as following the course of some of this stuff goes...
You will notice ( anyone who stumbles on this thread ) that nothing yet is really dealt with in terms of real quality of the helicopter. I can be plastic or it can be computer generated...
nobody seems to really care. Is it a fun story ? well... that's why some writers are hired more often than others.. but all they do is try to build a helicopter...they have nothing to do with the package or wrapping paper or ribbons...
strange business....
report on collaboration tools.. at this point...
the zoho thing ( free version ) is not working well. As I designate things as being worked on or add information ( images etc ) it seems to just stall.. I no longer have graph or much of the original information that was posted by originator of that " account " ( fuzzy ). When I look at dashboard, tasks, milestones etc. I get less information than originally put up there by Fuzzy...it just isn't working very well...sad to say...but it is a nice try on zoho part.
what I do find very helpful is this forum thread, personal emails, dropbox and the XL files fuzzy made and put into dropbox.
In other words, the dropbox is like an ftp site where you can share files and info..and that's great.
This forum thread is also really cool...cause its sometimes more immediate.. you can sorta refine things here related to things like XL files etc.
hope this helps.. as the overall critique of tools is kinda good to have.
So my storyboard is the helicopter...as far as it goes toward making that product. to put in the box. right ?
Normally wrong, unless you really want to pass a gold paper off for a gift, putting it into unwrapped box.
The helicopter is your 'backstory'. Actually just intangible smell of the helicopter.
Your storyboard is for gold paper, for its pattern.
That's not to say we're doing something wrong with our Product. That's just a metaphor for better understanding of what we're doing. A gold paper does require a storyboard as well!
FUZZY.. .can you do a model like this ???
I can create a simple model like this:
And animate it like this (stereoscopic 3D test):
Or a bit more complex one (anaglyph glasses required):
I can deal with some physics, but that is time consuming because I'm not quite skilled in. As I already mentioned, I won't be able to create a rigged body animation within this project time frame.
so far we got my storyboard and your storyboard and somehow we should maybe just vote on which one more closely resembles something we are able to do now. Mine is way easier than yours. IMO.
So I vote that we use mine.
Your modeling stuff fits into at least 2 places.
1. I still can't see where is a room for what Steven asked about manipulating virtual touch screens.
2. You vote on your gut feelings about perceptual complexity of the work as a whole. I don't like this approach because of two reasons:
- it does not rely on our actual resources, 'cos we don't know yet what is feasible and what is not;
- it does not assume accepting a challenge.
Therefore I propose the following:
1. If you're stuck with other storyboard versions, just bring your existing one, but time it with takes. Envisage a room for VFXs for Steven. It shouldn't necessarily be a pilot manipulating spaceship controls, it could be your scientist or his assistant in their lab.
2. We discuss feasibility of every take. It might appear we (actually just you two) will be unable to shoot something, which look simple at a first glance (like shooting a chicken, for example).
3. Then we will analyse and maybe end up with a mixed storyboard.
Now I'm going to do some coding, because I'm already 3 days behind my initial schedule. Tomorrow I'll be out helping in a pool (I mean overnight, from 29 to 30 October). So, please, give us your timed storyboard(s) by 16:00 GMT today.
hey Steve, whats up with transluscent control panels ??? You wanna do something with some special effect with some control panel ???
Also, just look at that last storyboard and think how anything can be improved etc... and keep within realm of what we can really DO... and give me feedback.
After I get everyon'e feeback and find out if fuzzy can do the 3d spaceship with movement ... I can start the finished storyboard with timing etc.
I just had this cool idea.. about text in beginning...
It's kinda like the big bang thing..where theres this sorta pinpoint of blinding white light and energy explosion ...but in this case its a black frame...then it blows up to white ( tv safe like maybe 240 about ? )...revealing the black text of the words ( what, came, first...etc )...so that the crashspaceEGG noise ( wav file in drop box ) that follows ( along with shot of planet etc )..fits in better...
kinda like theres this flash...followed by the BANG ...know what I mean ??
Dont know if it will work right but I'm gonna try to go for it....
shouldnt effect timing...
According to the schedule I assigned to myself, today is the website release deadline.
Since loungeproductionpresents.com domain was deleted, I deployed it on my free test domain and tested in Chrome, FireFox, IE10, Opera and Safari.
I wasn't creating website design because it would require collaboration, in which our group failed. All my efforts were concentrated around developing custom skin for IFrame API YouTube player.
Although learning JavaScript took much longer than I anticipated, and I was unable to complete YouTube player custom skin development yet, I now feel quite comfortable with JavaScript and HTML5, and particularly with HTML5 ‹canvas› tag.
Remaining subtasks for player skin are the following:
- testing full screen mode (I started doing that and bumped over glitch in code, hence just some debugging required);
- find a way of embedding a custom font, which is supposedly not installed on end-user machine (that will allow to display total and elapsed time of a video clip);
- overcome html positioning (probably, the most difficult subtask in the list: I've been struggling with positioning player controls over the player for a couple of days, dabbling with z-index property, and get either controls below the player or controls above the player, but then the player itself becomes not centred and is pushed to either left or right side depending on a browser.
Since there is quite a small probability that this discussion will resurrect as a collaborative project, I haven't decided yet whether to complete the player skin first and then switch to 3D modelling, or switch to 3D modelling now and then try to complete the player skin by 24 December if some float appears. It doesn't matter actually, I just keep some of your entertained.
Steven, I need your help in shooting, sound recording, creating VFX and compositing etc. But for the beginning we need to decide on a storyboard. Here is some variations based on what was already discussed:
1. 'Occasional discovery' storyline: someone was walking along the beach, decided to pass through shore thickets, stumbled over something, lost his footing, fell down and when was trying to get up suddenly discovered something looking like an egg surface.
2. 'Indiana Jones' storyline: an explorer hunting for artefacts went to Shark Bay, found hidden cave and a giant egg inside; a curious scientist is playing with small egg model, which is flying in the air, then suddenly saw a journalist came to interview her (him) and turns to the journalist.
Now you need to tell whether you like the plot in general and if so, whether you will be able to shoot
FOR BOTH STORYLINES
On location.
- Seashore and a person on a seashore (either a tourist or an explorer);
- Crowd of people exiting a movie theatre;
- The same theatre for a clean plate.
Green screen.
- A frowning girl or a lady face close-up (cinema visitor);
- A dropping a potato chips guy or a man face close-up (cinema visitor);
- A couple of people in profile (cinema visitors);
- A person manipulating virtual controls face close-up (a pilot);
- A person manipulating virtual controls hand close-up (a pilot);
- The same girl or the lady saying, 'WOW! I've never seen anything like this!' after the cinema show;
- The same guy or a man saying, 'That was amazing!' after the cinema show.
FOR 'OCCASIONAL DISCOVERY'
On location.
- A piece of steep slope or a broken soil (which led to the discovery).
Either in front of green screen or on location.
- The person passing through some thickets (a tourist);
- The same person simulating the falling down and an attempt to get up later.
FOR 'INDIANA JONES'
On location.
- The person verifying a map hand close-up (an explorer);
Green screen.
- Random light beam wiggling in a dark;
- The person with a light in his hand middle or a wide shot (explorer entering a cave. Creating in 3D this cave alone will introduce a challenge);
- The explorer finding a place for his foot for the next step on a sleepy slope close-up;
- The explorer hand clutching a rock to support the next step close-up;
- The explorer head rising up behind a rock;
- The explorer face smiling;
- A person (a scientist) pretending she/he is dabbling with an egg, which is flying in the air;
- The scientist saying, 'This is a great discovery';
- The scientist assistant manipulating some virtual controls.
If you don't like any of those storyboards above, I'll have to come up with something else. If you do, roughly estimate how long shooting every shot might take.
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