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Time to install other editing softwears

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August 28, 2022
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i think adobe is over, Now its time to install other editing softwears like FCP, Da Vinci Pro, Edius and even filmora is better then premier pro 2022

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joes8923424

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I've made the decision to jump ship from Adobe. I'm goign to relearn Final Cut - it's cheaper works much better. Premiere Pro is a disaster of a software - i work for a large televison channel on a day to day basis and the problems we have with licensing, bugs, crashes, glitches are a nightmare. The fix is always just over the horizon, but today i realised i've been sitting swearing at it for 12 years.

The cloud based model that adobe has persued is a total money grabbing disaster which prioritises Adobe's business model over stability and wider efficiency in workflow.

Warren Heaton

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@joes8923424

I'm at CBS Television Network. We use both Avid Media Composer and Adobe Premiere Pro. Issues come up now and again, but content is created for on-air, steaming, and social media daily. The Media Composer workstations are almost all Windows based and Premiere Pro are mostly macOS based. A significant part of what makes both NLEs work well is ProRes.

One caution about Final Cut Pro is that the Library approach to what would otherwise be a project makes it very, very challenging to keep a large number of shows in separate projects and to share access to those Libraries among a team of editors. Also, it's an uphill battle to have Events instead of Bins.

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Creative Spades

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This is a quote that made me decide that Adobe is now bound to die and be forgotten from all professionals:

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Hi all,

I would like to let people here know that we have paused work on adding N-RAW support to our video products. When we have an update to share on potential future support for N-RAW, we will update this thread.

Regards,

Fergus

Right after Nikon has bought RED...becoming the biggest player in the professional industry of film making.

So...Just like Fergus announced, I will also annouce: "I would like to let people here know that Creative Spades and all the companies subsidiaries, connected to Creative Spades, and relates in any way, shape or form to Creative Spades will now be leaving Adobe to move to DaVinci Resolve."

Congratulations to all the Adobe Team for such an incredibly disappointing job.

Sergio

Warren Heaton

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I'm not sure why Nikon's implementation of RAW has not been embraced by the video world (not just Adobe) while other RAW formats and proprietary formats from Apple, Sony, Panasonic, ARRI, Canon, Blackmagic Design, and RED are; however, Nikon purchasing the former from that list is sure a way to establish a foothold.

@Creative Spades , Premiere Pro has broad format support with or without Nikon-RED. Nevertheless, Premiere Pro's RED workflow is solid, allowing users to debayer on the fly and take full advantage of RED RAW's wavelet compression to edit without creating proxies on lower end systems with fast storage media. As long as Nikon does not pull the RED camera line altogether, I am confident that Adobe video applications will continue to support them, however that camera line evolves.

GregEdits

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I can guarantee that I can make DR fly with any footage on any machine.

The settings for DR are tough to find and a lot of users (not to say the majority) get's stuck because of bad YouTube advices.
There are just a few clicks to make DR blazing fast

You're not understanding. This isn't about footage. If you're talking about footage, yes with proper settings you can play any footage regardless of which NLE you're on. DR isn't special in that regard. Thats not whats being discussed. This is the functionality of the UI with todays hardware. Regardless, in a production multi editor environment no one is using DR to edit. Color, and VFX? Yes. But editing, no. So DR is not an option for me.

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Dietmeister

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I think it's time we all move back to Avid.

I hate working on Avid, but it seems to be the only editing application that takes itself and their users seriously.

What a pitty...

Warren Heaton

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@Dietmeister

I am sorry to hear that you are having trouble.

I just did a client-attended session with Premiere Pro 24.1, Photoshop 25.4, After Effects 24.1, and Illustrator 28.2 under macOS Ventura 13.6.3 and everything went as expected - even quickly opening the project in Premiere Pro (beta) 24.3 to run Encance on some dialog and the return to 24.1.

I even generated some title cards for the editor running Media Composer in the bay next door (which, as you may know, crashes frequently when using the built-in titler).

Which versions of the Adobe applications are you running under which OS? Let's see if we can get it to be as stable as my setup.

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KonaLyman

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Adobe cant even fix "Save Workspaces", they're not going to fix this. Go to Davinci Resolve. No, run to Davinci Resolve.

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benwinter

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Switch to Resolve.

I know this is a Premiere forum but I don't care. I've been editing on Premiere for over a decade like you. I cancelled my CC subscription last month and switching to Resolve has been absolutely life-changing. The amount of bugs and issues we put up with in this software is reprehensible. It's time to dump Premiere.

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benwinter

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Fixing Premiere means rebuilding it from the ground up, and that will never, ever happen.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Actually Ben ... they've been rebuilding all the code in the app over the last like three years now. Section by section. That's actually where some glitches that have come in have come in. A rebuilt section has a conflict with a different older bit of code but only on X machines with Y media or Z, Q, or D effects sort of thing.

In the end, these are only tools. Fancy hammers. Period.

I use both Premiere and Resolve daily. I find Resolve to be very frustrating and limiting. I don't like the way the UI is so freaking locked down. Plus I have an Elements panel, and BlackMagic makes their profit not via software but by hardware sales. Different model, that's fine.

But they don't see it in their interest to give other panels more than token operational capability. So my Elements panel in Premiere not only is mappable for any color use I want to use it for ... but now, it can work the audio Track mixer, resize/move/rotatate graphics or other screen items ... nearly anything in the app.

In Resolve, it only can be used on the Color page, and at any one time, more than half of the many controls are 'dark', not connected to anything or used at all.

I've good friends who LOVE LOVE LOVE working in Resolve. More power to them!

So ... use what works for you now. As a professional at this, all that matters is getting the work out, right? Who cares what app you use?

Neither company is going to lose money nor sleep if you decide to use the other app. But you might sleep better.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

Kevin-Monahan

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Media Editor

Inspiring

I did not know that blorp had so many meanings.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Ancient thread, btw.

I've got a 24 core 3960x w 128GB of RAM, 2080Ti, Premiere 2022 screams on it. As it does on my 4 year old Acer laptop.

I also personally use Resolve daily, and teach/work with colorists around the world. Who are typically more Mac folks and of course based in Resolve. To get 'even half decent' performance in Resolve, they push for having MONSTER machines. 256GB of RAM, working media on huge RAID arrays with multiple high-speed connections. Massive GPUs or quite likely a pair of them.

Any of these complex video post apps can require mega hardware. They all work a bit differently with the the hardware, need different setups, and all can blorp on some users at any time. My Resolve based friends have their long lists of bugs/bad behaviors that haven't been fixed for years also.

Pick your poison. And the number of Premiere users on a daily basis is astounding. And growing.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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Robert25101586uf3m

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I've got a 32 core 3950x w 128GB of 3600RAM, RTX 3090, Premier 2022 runs worse than RDR2 on a 1989 IBM laptop. That is to say, like a dog which taking out back.

That is to say, gone are the days when hardware seemed to make a difference to performance. Premier has been buggy as hell since 22 dropped and I'm running out of patience at this point since it feels like every realease becomes that little bit more frustrating to use.

That being said, Resolve is even worse. So Premiere has that going for it.

Kevin-Monahan

Community Manager

Hey Robert,

You can partially blame the camera manufacturers who continually are coming out with post HD formats that they think we need. 4K? Sure! 8K? Why not. While they were at it, they developed an even more satanic codec than H.264. A little some-some called HEVC. So, while one can have a rocket ship computer, it does not matter much, it can be defeated by hardcore formats. You battle plan should include. how to make your media play nice. Once you've transcoded to ProRes LT or similar (preferred for rigs like yours), or you work with proxies, you'll be back in the game. Try it.

Cheers,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio

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