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J_Antho
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November 6, 2017
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Why don't you and your pals at abobe stop ruining your own software?

  • November 6, 2017
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Then Kevin, why don't you and your pals at abobe stop ruining your own software?

If multiple project capability has been a long/greatly desired advent, then why on earth did you make it so unbearable and confusing?

Why would I want my projects to open within each other? Do you or have you ever used this software for actual video editing? Do you find this feature helpful?

I can't for the life of me think of an instance where'd I'd want my project to open inside another project where it combines my timeline sequences and places sequences from one project next to the sequences from the other.

I understand that in previous versions if I want files from another project, and I don't want to have to re-edit the shot, re-color correct it, etc, I can simply copy the file from the timeline, close that project, open the other project and paste and PRESTO, it's there.

Is the new multi-project addition supposed to help me in that I'm avoiding going between projects? Because if that's the case you missed the mark - as it's far more obnoxious to have to close premiere entirely so my projects aren't open and saving within each other.

This is broken, Kevin, that's why people are complaining about it. If you don't want people to offer alternative solutions to the vast problems Adobe continually creates, maybe you should consider waiting until your updates actually work, instead beta-testing through the users to keep subscriptions relevant.

You've created more problems than you've solved with the 2018 update.

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    Legend
    November 6, 2017

    If multiple project capability has been a long/greatly desired advent, then why on earth did you make it so unbearable and confusing?

    I find the current functionality rather efficient and effective.

    J_Antho
    J_AnthoAuthor
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    November 6, 2017

    Congrats. Why are you on this forum?

    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    November 6, 2017

    Why would I want my projects to open within each other? Do you or have you ever used this software for actual video editing? Do you find this feature helpful?

    I can't for the life of me think of an instance where'd I'd want my project to open inside another project where it combines my timeline sequences and places sequences from one project next to the sequences from the other.

    First, as to whether Kevin knows video editing ... if you know his bio at all, he's had a long career as an editor & colorist, including was a certified trainer for FCP back around what ... 4,5? Yea, he knows this stuff as a user.

    Now ... you don't like the way it was implemented, so you insist it's broken. I was down at Adobe MAX when this was rolled out, and there were a ton of people there in the video tracks looking at it on their laptops & playing with this feature and basically crying glory hallelujah.

    You aren't "wrong" and neither are those who've wanted exactly this behavior. You have different working practices, needs, and workflows.

    Something everybody needs is to keep some perspective ... just because any one of us uses PrPro in "X" way doesn't mean any more than one of us uses PrPro in "X" way. Almost every editor I've ever talked with has had their own way that isn't the same as any other editor I know for nearly everything they do. It's one of the fascinating things of video post for me. Learning what each person does.

    So ... yea, maybe having an 'enabling' toggle for multiple projects opening would be a good thing ... those that don't want it happening won't, and those wanting it can have it. File the feature request for it ... although they never respond, every feature or bug report filed gets on the collated list of such things distributed to all managerial types.

    https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    J_Antho
    J_AnthoAuthor
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    November 6, 2017

    Gee, thanks Neil. I came from a background of Pinnacle for 3 years, then FCP for 4 years before going to AP for the last 5 - everyone on here knows their "stuff".

    I'm gonna go with the other users who find this feature extremely irritating before I look up the credentials of the Adobe members who post on here. Seems to me like this is a problem for the majority of users.

    We're all experienced with this program, and your anecdotal evidence of "glory" doesn't take away from the fact this is a real problem that shouldn't have been forced.

    Do you really get your subscription paid for by answering real questions with answers like, "Keep some perspective." ??

    That sounds awesome.

    "So ... yea, maybe having an 'enabling' toggle for multiple projects opening would be a good thing."

    Ya think!?

    Now that's an answer worth getting paid for if Adobe implements it.

    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    November 6, 2017

    Sarcasm comes natural, eh?

    And your group is the absolute authority on everyone's ideas of correct? Hmm.

    The first is cool ... although sarcasm works a lot better in person than on the forums, as often sarcasm is actually intended to be a humorous outlet with a bit of an edge. On forums my native bent to sarcasm has been nailed several times as just seeming rude. So I tend to avoid it on public forums. Everyone's choice is their own, of course. (In person, I tend to have a lot of friends who practically live in sarcasm ... birds of a feather, perhaps ... )

    The second ... my ideas of the Ideal Way for PrPro are just that, mine ... not anyone else's. And in your posts, you seem to define a real problem as basically anything that irritates you. While deprecating everyone who thinks otherwise.

    That's not so cool. It's actually ... on a forum, without any other way to see facial expression, body language, what not ... sort of arrogant. There's quite a few thousands of people using this app. On another thread, a person is incredulous that PrPro doesn't have spell checking in the EGP. They thought this is something the everyone would want on the top of their list of changes. Another user posted right away that while he would appreciate a spell checker, it would realistically be WAY down his list of major changes needed, he'd rather engineer time go to his list of stuff first.

    Yea ... we all have different ideas of what's great and what's useless. There's a ton of the effects that I don't use, but I spend a lot of time with color ... and Lumetri ... I can go over about any possible way to use it, but realistically ... it needs to my taste a major rebuilding, starting with the very assumptions of how it should work. I've been pretty direct about this both on the forums here and in person with the engineers at NAB and MAX.

    And in threads on that on this forum, it's quite clear there are some that like the way Lumetri works now, or think it's entirely adequate, and don't want any effort spent on changing it as they'd rather have other things worked.

    I don't attack them as being somehow illiterate in the program, non-professional, or anything. They have opinions and workflows and needs as valid as mine.

    As you do. Your ideas, thoughts, and needs are as valid as anyone else's. The more people giving their experiences and opinions on here, the more useful this board can be.

    I just ask you recognize that every one posting here will have different ideas. Let the ideas mix, mingle, and at times clash. No need to attack the other people for daring to have a different viewpoint.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...