coldfusion fading out?

I understand your concern. I can only offer my own perspective, of course.

I've been using ColdFusion everyday for almost 7 years now, since being hired as a Web Developer at a mid-sized bank. Our commitment to ColdFusion is pretty much total. From where I sit, the CF adoption rate is 100% :-)

I've been trained in C/C++ and Java programming, and use C# for most of my personal stuff, because I like it and I think it's important to be fluent in more than one language. But for the most part, it's ColdFusion that pays the rent.

My employer is very pleased with the ROI on ColdFusion, and so considers the cost of the product quite reasonable. The ColdFusion development unit, though relatively small, is considered highly productive and is one of the main "Go To" groups in the company. People from all over the bank come to us with all kinds of technical issues, web-related or not, because we solve problems, and ColdFusion is a cornerstone of our ability to do so.

A CF developer who lives in or near a major city will not have a problem finding a well-paying job.

2.5 years old this article but still relevant

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/making-case-coldfusion

Just saw this on another list.

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/making-case-coldfusion

The views of a PHP programmer converted to ColdFusion. Just in case
there is anybody out there who are actually interested in different
opinions.

I did find the point that if you wanted the "professional" level of the
PHP server license that adds many of the features contained in CF it
costs $1875 very interesting.

What would you call such a forum? "Why ColdFusion sucks?"

The purpose of a troll is to initiate and contaminate threads or boards with contradictory propoganda or consistently dissenting opinion.

If there was a dedicated forum for such a person, it would defeat their purpose, and therefore they would not participate. Thus the forum would be empty.

I have not met anyone who has taken the time to learn ColdFusion that did not like it. It is a very "likeable" platform. But, like anything else, it is not appropriate for every job. Is it right for you? Maybe and maybe not.

Most short-sighted people cannot get past the fact that a server license is quite expensive compared to other technologies. This is a case where the language is irrelevent if the price of admission keeps people from considering it. The dilemma is that apparently Adobe is making enough money to justify keeping it at the current price point. Good for Adobe. I think that even cutting the price in half would substantially increase sales, but what do I know? And, even if sales increased by ten-fold, would that necessarilly make CF a better choice for someone?

Like any other debatable subject, you can make an argument for anything. If your stance is in one area, you can rest assured that someone else's stance is in another. Just because we disagree, it does not mean that either one of us is wrong.

The problem with the classic troll is that the arguments being strewn are, in many cases, patently false. Or, in the best case scenario, are geographically isolated.

It is hard to tell if ALL of his thinking is conducted this way, or if it is specifically targeted toward his disdain for CF. It is hard to get a feel for his experience with the language, since he never posts a constructive answer that reveals any actual programming ability.

Bottom line, it is not the argument that is objected to. Whether we agree or not is secondary to the method/skewing/credibility of the same three or four "statistics".

I must be biased, because I have been using CF for close to a decade, have never had a hard time finding work in CF, and have to turn down additional jobs very freqently. It serves my needs, is easy to maintain, and has provided a very good salary for me for quite some time. How can I argue against that? Can I sit here and claim that the price of a server license is too high? Do I care if the language gets "more" popular?

Detractors can keep learning the "language of the month" every time a new version trumps the old one, but I just keep on programming in ColdFusion, consistently blowing people away with the speed of development and my ability to "get the job done". I don't read the Tiobe index. I don't keep track of the sales numbers at the book store. I don't count the job postings for every language and compare them. I just keep getting the job done with ColdFusion.

And at the end of the day, my family eats well, my CEO is quite happy, my employees are productive, and new customers and new job requests come to me daily.

You keep arguing about questionable or misinterpretted statistics, and I will keep people happy with CF.

Everyone just quit whining. You can preach all you want to people about what language they should be using but it wont make a slight bit of difference if they are already comfortable using it - it's just wasted breath.

Personally I like CF because it's right for me and I like the idea that there is another player amongst the popular languages. I also like the fact we're an under dog because it will help the community feel more proud about what we do and push the language to greater levels.

You only have to look at the number of custom tags, functions and cfcs to realise that the community cares about CF - so much so they are willing to put time in to create new features where Macromedia/Adobe fall behind.

Enjoy CF, PHP, Java, .NET whatever. If you're really bothered about preaching then it's probably time to do some actual work with the language you so love than sitting on here.

Writing one line of code you love is way more productive than writing ten lines of text telling someone how good it is, both to yourself, and the people around you.

Thanks.

Most of my sites are averaging 30-40% firefox and it has been climbing for 4 years now. I definately think that 10% is an understatement.

I agree with what Kronin555 said above.

Syed, much as I hate that CF has lousy adoption and that is is not used
enough to make it something profitable for your average developer - it IS a
good language, lots of fun to use and you may find that there IS some
demend for it where you are located. Keep at it!

"Syed Munir Hussain" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:eu7lgh$h3g$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> thats correct Neo Rye, trying to figure out where the web programming
> headed
> and trying to have fun, i'm starting towards programming field, and this
> is my
> first language that i've learn a little so far.
>
>
>

re: Users are starting to move to Firefox in droves.

Never known one person to get so much wrong - barely 10% use FireFox.

re: And what happens to Microsoft when Bill dies?

Hmmm, does .Net die with Bill?? Becuase thats how it works right - like when
Henry Ford dies and Ford stopped making cars ... ahng on a minute, you are
wrong yet again.

re: You are clearly a .Net and C# guy and a very smart one from what I
gather.

Not that smart at all. Seem to get more right answers than you though.

re: I don't think you can make any 5 year predictions when
talking about the web.

Kind of can actually - its pretty simple. CF costs a fortune when it offers
nothing above and beyond what you can get without the fortune. It'll never
be used by a significant number of developers and it will always be the one
they tak about around the water coller - "Coldfusion, isn't that dead?" - "
No, I heard this guy who knows a guy who has a pal that said he heard that
somebody used it just last year to build an app" - "did you know it had
magical tags and that hardly anybody knows it, but cf aps can be built soooo
fast and no other scripting language has figured out how they do it yet!!"


Sorry - some things are easy to predict. Just as 5 years ago many predicted
they would be leaving CF in droves and it barely be used or considered by
many. It's just as easy to predict more of the same for the next 5 years.

Allaire should have open sourced it and made it into what PHP is today. Too
late - the "mega corportaions" got their hands on it and lost to the other
mega corporations with the bigger budgets and superior products.





"Neo Rye" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:eu7l5d$gn0$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> SliceOfLife - AKA Chris Becker,
>
> And look at what that mega-corporation did with the web browser in IE7.
> Most
> of my Microsoft developer friends hate using it, but are forced to. It's
> sooo
> bloated! Users are starting to move to Firefox in droves. Is that the
> future of
> .Net? And what happens to Microsoft when Bill dies? When Google starts
> sucking
> the cash from their cow? I don't think you can make any 5 year predictions
> when
> talking about the web.
>
> You are clearly a .Net and C# guy and a very smart one from what I gather.
> This forum seems almost... well, I'm not sure why you're here. Do you get
> paid
> to post or are you just bored? Have you ever written a commercial
> ColdFusion
> App?
>
> If Syed was working on his masters degree in computer science, like others
> here, I'd recommend Java and .jsp over .Net anyway, but he said "I'm not
> that
> good at programming", so Adobe and ColdFusion is as good a place to start
> as
> any.
>
> Check out their labs.adobe.com and all the tools they are working on to
> make
> developing for the web fun and exciting.
>

thats correct Neo Rye, trying to figure out where the web programming headed and trying to have fun, i'm starting towards programming field, and this is my first language that i've learn a little so far.

SliceOfLife - AKA Chris Becker,

And look at what that mega-corporation did with the web browser in IE7. Most of my Microsoft developer friends hate using it, but are forced to. It's sooo bloated! Users are starting to move to Firefox in droves. Is that the future of .Net? And what happens to Microsoft when Bill dies? When Google starts sucking the cash from their cow? I don't think you can make any 5 year predictions when talking about the web.

You are clearly a .Net and C# guy and a very smart one from what I gather. This forum seems almost... well, I'm not sure why you're here. Do you get paid to post or are you just bored? Have you ever written a commercial ColdFusion App?

If Syed was working on his masters degree in computer science, like others here, I'd recommend Java and .jsp over .Net anyway, but he said "I'm not that good at programming", so Adobe and ColdFusion is as good a place to start as any.

Check out their labs.adobe.com and all the tools they are working on to make developing for the web fun and exciting.