P: Introducing the Project Indigo camera app

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So I wanted to try out max 25x handheld on the moon, and the result is just incredible! I have never able to take the moon like this with any app, even stock app. The attached picture is manual setting iso, shutter and focus. Raw processed to jpeg. @BorisTheBlade There are some weird lines as mentioned before when I showed 10x in motion object, and eventhough handheld is tad shakey vs tripod, it still exists but not bad! I disabled Indigo's profile and went with Adobe Standard as well. I am truely truely shocked that the small periscope sensor can even do this. This is not the work of AI or ML from Indigo right? If so I don't mind bc it is just outstanding! I cannot wait for what Indigo has in store once the periscope gets to 48mp, even if binned, the sensor will be much larger.

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@BorisTheBlade could you please respond to my questions here?

Adobe Employee

@BorisTheBlade could you please respond to my questions here?

By @nhan_8084

Multi-frame super-resolution is indeed done with AI. But it is not the kind of AI that hallucinates (i.e., it's not Generative AI). Instead, it uses natural handshake motion of the camera to fill in the missing detail. This can work only IF the lens resolution is higher than the sensor resolution. If the lens is diffraction limited, then there is no extra resolution to be recovered this way, so multi-frame super-resolution may bring much in terms of detail improvements. You will notice that, generally speaking, 2x zoom on Indigo is better than 10x zoom. That is because 2x camera is much, much sharper than the 5x one.

The lines you are seeing are artifacts in image processing, which happen sometimes, more so with moving objects. The ML model doesn't hallucinate, but may make a mistake like that. We'll work on minimizing those.

garyl69852430

Participant

I shoot a lot of infrared with my iPhone, and when using a 720nm external filter, the ability to set the white balance to 1400Kelvin lets me compose an image in nearly black and white.

Indigo currently goes down to 2000 Kelvin. Any plans to permit an extended white balance down to perhaps 1000 Kelvin?

Alternately the ability to select black and white viewing would also work for my purpose...

Any plans for a black and white setting?

Adobe Employee

I shoot a lot of infrared with my iPhone, and when using a 720nm external filter, the ability to set the white balance to 1400Kelvin lets me compose an image in nearly black and white.

Indigo currently goes down to 2000 Kelvin. Any plans to permit an extended white balance down to perhaps 1000 Kelvin?

Alternately the ability to select black and white viewing would also work for my purpose...

Any plans for a black and white setting?

By @garyl69852430

Hi Gary - thank you for your questions. Indigo is replicating the approach in Lightroom/Camera Raw with respect to the color temperature and tint ranges. I will inquire with the color scientists in that team whether there is a principle reason why they limit it to 2K on the lower end. If not, perhaps they can extend the range easily.

Regarind a B&W view in Indigo, it is trivial to generate an image where color is removed. However, generating a very nice B&W image is a bit more involved. We are investigating ways we can produce a high quality B&W mode, and will be releasing it as soon as it is ready for prime time. Stay tuned.

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@BorisTheBlade I took a pic of the moon tonight using 10x, the raw is here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jz87go1xkgpwx4k6laapz/IMG_9420.dng?rlkey=ce5o4b5p1gtsi3vfly1qofjp7&st=xtqupcb8&dl=0

Editing it in lightroom mobile gave amazing results but when I export as jpeg it looks SUPER DARK!

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So I had to chose adobe standard, disable hdr editing, then it finally processed correctly. This is OUTSTANDING quality at 10x! I can't wait to see how Indigo performed when the periscope gets to 48mp sensor. The shot was done using manual mode to focus the moon.

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@BorisTheBlade I have taken some more shots to give you and your team some ideas. This time it is outdoor, a mix of direct sun and indirect sun. All are fully processed of highlights, shadows, noise and sharpening etc. The direct sun ones are extremely challenging so I processed it to what I believe the average consumers will like vs the SOOC.

Daytime raws: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/1ybya8qud169kr7pj0s5t/AGSatHgZY7J28SU-hVGpDrI?rlkey=2ilhp8vwzlcm3k6kb2zycuif4&st=f1pli171&dl=0

Day Images Processed: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/b94f97t9oilxu7lav20kt/AHlm53ObI3hhh59LTS2mG1M?rlkey=z3tqmfiqcodqoeema20x12vdm&st=lqr1gw7n&dl=0

I will attach the SOOC here and the faults seen in the raws.

Indigo Raws: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/37nvkghxnux0ibln1hqbs/AHyZ1XYwXvuqu0rP6-WOgRI?rlkey=h5zoxct3r32tbzdp9454mosg3&st=5kwvt98i&dl=0

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@BorisTheBlade So I have some times to do what you asked earlier, and that is to process the Indigo raws to give you and your team a sense of how I want the jpegs to look SOOC. All these are indoor shots which to me is more critical in terms of how to approach noise and sharpening. I did not touch much in terms of exposure/shadows so do not pay attention much to it. Noise reduction and sharpness is what I am mainly showing.

The ultrawide angle is the worst lens of the three on my 15 pro max, so it is the one expected to have the most noise when compared to the other two, especially with medium to low current indoor lighting at my work place. The raws and processed jpegs will be inside the dropbox folders, while the SOOCC Indigo Jpegs will be attached here. I will also attached the issues see in raws (uwa attached but all the raws seems to have jagged edges badly!) with the jagged edges as mentioned before too.

Processed jpegs: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/tzusimf16xkple4ka45uo/AKsCeOrT4C8_5EpYHEHIhh0?rlkey=z81uov1cat0wjqs2mpggp3rbn&st=oxshy8a5&dl=0

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Astrodon

Participant

1. I was able to take 1s exposures of the night sky merged with differing number of frames. Impressive in terms of detail and noise! However, when I look at the "information" pop-up, it shows the 1s exposure, but it does not show how many frames were merged. I think this is critical information.

2. Star trails. With my big cameras, I get great results by combining 40-50 30s exposures in post processing in LR/PS or StarStax. Is there an intervelometer-type function in or planned to be in Indigo that would allow for automatic repetition of a 30 frame capture? Doing it manually is problematic.

Adobe Employee

1. I was able to take 1s exposures of the night sky merged with differing number of frames. Impressive in terms of detail and noise! However, when I look at the "information" pop-up, it shows the 1s exposure, but it does not show how many frames were merged. I think this is critical information.

2. Star trails. With my big cameras, I get great results by combining 40-50 30s exposures in post processing in LR/PS or StarStax. Is there an intervelometer-type function in or planned to be in Indigo that would allow for automatic repetition of a 30 frame capture? Doing it manually is problematic.

By @Astrodon

Thank you for providing these suggestions. We are working on improving the Long Exposure captures overall, and will be rolling those updates out in upcoming releases. For astrophotography, it requires special processing in different modes (e.g., making star trails vs keeping stars static), which is also on the roadmap. Please stay tuned.

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Eli Johanson

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Hi. Will the next update remove the continuous shutter sound on Japanese and Korean iPhone models?

Adobe Employee

Hi. Will the next update remove the continuous shutter sound on Japanese and Korean iPhone models?

By @Eli Johanson

Hi Eli - thanks for reaching out. We are working with Apple on this, but unfortunately cannot share the exact timeline for when a solution may be available. Thank you for the patience, and please stay tuned.

jimf16377877

Known Participant

Would it be possible to make the file names generated for the images in some way sequential, as they are in a "regular" camera? I know the date is in the metadata, and so they can be sorted by date, but that info isn't always readily displayed (such as in columns of Finder on Mac). The seemingly random letters that change with each image just look confusing, and having Bridge rename them adds an extra step to workflow. Thanks for your work on this app!

Adobe Employee

Hello Jim - how are you transferring the images to your computer, and which OS are you using? We know that Windows does this, since it uses PTP/MTP for image transfer, and those protocols are limited to 8 characters for file name + 3 for the extension. If you are encountering this on the Mac, we'd like the know your workflow so we can see if there is a way to address this. Thank you for helping us improve Project Indigo.

Would it be possible to make the file names generated for the images in some way sequential, as they are in a "regular" camera? I know the date is in the metadata, and so they can be sorted by date, but that info isn't always readily displayed (such as in columns of Finder on Mac). The seemingly random letters that change with each image just look confusing, and having Bridge rename them adds an extra step to workflow. Thanks for your work on this app!

By @jimf16377877

jimf16377877

Known Participant

Hi Boris - I'm on a mac running OS 15.6 with Bridge 2025 (15.1.0.635) My iphone is a 16 pro. I use 'Import from Device' to connect to my phone and the file names appear in that window and then transfer to the computer with the images. The DNG and the JPG of the same image have different names, all 8 charachters. I get names like TXV15599.DNG and LHN18622.JPG - both the same image, then the next image pair in the sequence (captured just minutes later) is LHAV0676.DNG and DOFG1522.JPG - again versions of the same image. So, there's two images with four different unrelated file names.

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@BorisTheBlade I forgot if the question was answered or brought up, when I took 10x SR of Indigo, it doesn't look like a 10x shot vs the native stock app. It looks like a 8x or so zoom. The native 10x is a true 10x, albeit it being much much worse than Indigo's. Is it possible for the focal lengths to match that of the native's?